Commissar Molotov Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I've always been attracted by the Relictors - I've had a long fascination with them since their first IA article. Recently I've decided that I have to start clearing out my bitzboxes, and so starting a second Marine army seems like an entirely possible situation. And the Relictors are my first port of call. I want to make a small force, post-excommunication, as it allows me to use them against both 'good' and 'evil' forces. The Relictors are deliciously ambiguous like that. I'm also attracted by the idea that I could make a force that could use both the loyalist and traitor Codexes if I wanted. The daemonweapon could easily become a relic blade, after all. The fluff I've constructed features the Fifth Company of the Relictors, the 'Black Company', led by Captain Jeriko Thane. (The picture's by Cpt-Tiberius, and my thanks go to him for putting up with me rambling about the Relictors for the last 18 months or so!) http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/BlackCompany/Thane-cropped.jpg Onto the models. I'm planning an initial 1 HQ, 2 Troops - two tactical squads, and Captain Thane, as close to that picture as I can get him. So I've been starting to assemble models out of my 'leftovers'. You can tell I'm a Castigator player because I can't find any purity seals anywhere, and flamers are incredibly rare! http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/BlackCompany/Relictors-0001.jpg A WIP Veteran Sergeant based on the Black Reach Sergeant - I like this guy. http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/BlackCompany/Relictors-0002.jpg http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/BlackCompany/Relictors-0003.jpg And the other Sergeant, as he is: http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/BlackCompany/Relictors-0004.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barret Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 At last! Thane's lads see the light of day! I'm looking forwards to seeing what you do for the Cap himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1794178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToyShip Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 You already now that I'm excited about this log! That first seargent is ace, the head and arm swap changes the whole pose. Great job! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1794179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Toddius Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 This should be really cool. I always digged your sketches you do. Gives a nice clear direction for yourself. I would suggest maybe looking at grey deaths chapter to see a similar paint scheme from scratch. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...mp;hl=greydeath Hes does a really good job if it. :) Good Luck. I'll keep an eye out for this thread. Relictors has always been a cool chapter scheme. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1794184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted December 3, 2008 Author Share Posted December 3, 2008 This should be really cool. I always digged your sketches you do. Gives a nice clear direction for yourself. The picture's by Cpt_Tiberius; you might know him for his Space Sharks illustrations. He's also responsible for most of the artwork for my Castigators - certainly the pictures in my IA. He's my favourite 40k illustrator. (Well, him or Adrian Smith. :)) I would suggest maybe looking at grey deaths chapter to see a similar paint scheme from scratch.http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...mp;hl=greydeath Thanks for the link. I'd forgotten about Grey Death's Chapter - I'll be sure to have a look through that thread for his thoughts on grey. Whilst I was umming and ahing, Midian was kind enough to send me his thoughts on a Relictors grey: As for getting the grey, i'd be inclined to do a basecoat of adeptus battlegrey, then a 2 stage highlight with codex first, then fortress on the highest points. To get the layer of dirt similar to the IA picture, some selective shading glazes of a mixture of scorched brown, bestial brown and catachan green would work. I'd probably paint it as follows - -basecoat adeptus battlegrey -highlight with codex grey -smaller highlights on top edges with fortress grey -thin wash of badab black. Probably about 50/50 water/wash. This should tone down the highlights a bit. -re-apply the fortress grey highlight over the very top edges only - top o the helmet, top of the shoulder pads, that kind of thing. -now the fun bit - making it dirty. Completely optional, but i'd do it just to break up the grey (which is the only thing I don't like about them) -thin down bestial brown to about 15/1 water/paint, until its lightly tinted water. Dip your brush in the paint and dab the brush on a bit of tissue to get most of the water out. Paint onto any areas that would be dirty - around feet, under kneepads etc. Use the IA picture as a guide. You don't want to paint it brown, you just want the 'feeling' (no other way to describe it really) of brown. You might need a few layers of this to get the right look. -Do the same with scorched over the bestial, but in smaller areas. -Do the same with catachan, but go over the entire area you put brown over - this should balance it out and make the dirt look more natural. You don't want to go OTT with it, just enough to make them look weathered instead of factory fresh. Thats the beauty of the thin glazes, you can go as light or as heavy as you want. I'm going to try something along these lines. Like you, I've always been a fan of the Relictors and their muddy-grey scheme, which reflects their dubious practices well! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1794189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-relk Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 theres a link in my sig to my photobucket album, i think some of my relictors stuff is in there. i did mine with a 2:1 mix of chaos black to codex grey, then highlighted by codex grey, then fortress grey. though in hindsight, i think i would have like them a little bit darker. mine too were after there ex-communication, so i did lots of battledamage on them (bullet holes, scratches, nicks, etc), but no dirt (except on the tank tracks). if your not willing to paint on the chapter symbol, Bell of lost souls has a transfer sheet you can print out to make our own transfers. the other thing to consider would be the use of Chaos armour/weapons (like the 13th company wolfen do), to represent some of their armour being so badly damaged that they have to steal some off their victims. not much, just a bit here or there to mix it up a bit. either way, its good to see more and more people embrasing the relictors, the amount of fluff, and the overall feel of the army is quite cool. look forward to seeing some painted minnies soon ;) EDIT: actually, these are the only pics of my relictors stuff that are on my photobucket: http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x61/g-relk/IMG_0215asda.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x61/g-relk/warhammer00121.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x61/g-relk/IMG_0214dfgd.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1794304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Adrian Smith is an amazing artist. He is the classic 40k illustrator! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1794305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmodeus' Swordhand Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I'm not sure what you are getting at there marshal. These look great Mol! Nice start, and I'm loving that art. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1794727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted December 3, 2008 Author Share Posted December 3, 2008 theres a link in my sig to my photobucket album, i think some of my relictors stuff is in there. i did mine with a 2:1 mix of chaos black to codex grey, then highlighted by codex grey, then fortress grey. though in hindsight, i think i would have like them a little bit darker. mine too were after there ex-communication, so i did lots of battledamage on them (bullet holes, scratches, nicks, etc), but no dirt (except on the tank tracks). if your not willing to paint on the chapter symbol, Bell of lost souls has a transfer sheet you can print out to make our own transfers. the other thing to consider would be the use of Chaos armour/weapons (like the 13th company wolfen do), to represent some of their armour being so badly damaged that they have to steal some off their victims. not much, just a bit here or there to mix it up a bit. either way, its good to see more and more people embrasing the relictors, the amount of fluff, and the overall feel of the army is quite cool. Hey, thanks for the feedback. I've gone out and bought Adeptus Battlegrey and Codex Grey. I'm also hoping to apply some (limited) battle-damage and give them a bit of a grubby look. I think doing so helps parallel their moral ambiguity nicely. I'm going to try to freehand the Chapter symbol - have you any examples, or did you use transfers? I'm not sure about the 'patchwork' look; my oridnary Marines are quite 'Codex'. I think that'll help to juxtapose against the chaotic elements in the force - namely the Captain's daemonaxe and possibly later a Chaos banner of some kind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1794894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Diablo Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Great start Mol. That AoBR conversion looks pretty smart, much better than the original. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1794905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminatorinhell Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 im hanging onto this thread, you have to make the captain with the purity seal around his arm, that would be eepik! (epic but with a longer e) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1795256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-relk Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 theres a link in my sig to my photobucket album, i think some of my relictors stuff is in there. i did mine with a 2:1 mix of chaos black to codex grey, then highlighted by codex grey, then fortress grey. though in hindsight, i think i would have like them a little bit darker. mine too were after there ex-communication, so i did lots of battledamage on them (bullet holes, scratches, nicks, etc), but no dirt (except on the tank tracks). if your not willing to paint on the chapter symbol, Bell of lost souls has a transfer sheet you can print out to make our own transfers. the other thing to consider would be the use of Chaos armour/weapons (like the 13th company wolfen do), to represent some of their armour being so badly damaged that they have to steal some off their victims. not much, just a bit here or there to mix it up a bit. either way, its good to see more and more people embrasing the relictors, the amount of fluff, and the overall feel of the army is quite cool. Hey, thanks for the feedback. I've gone out and bought Adeptus Battlegrey and Codex Grey. I'm also hoping to apply some (limited) battle-damage and give them a bit of a grubby look. I think doing so helps parallel their moral ambiguity nicely. I'm going to try to freehand the Chapter symbol - have you any examples, or did you use transfers? I'm not sure about the 'patchwork' look; my oridnary Marines are quite 'Codex'. I think that'll help to juxtapose against the chaotic elements in the force - namely the Captain's daemonaxe and possibly later a Chaos banner of some kind. i free handed about 10 or so (using a GS template i made) then got sick of it and didnt do any. my chapter symbol was slightly differant. if you can get a pic of the IA article from a few years back there is a skull on the bolter (doesnt have a jaw), thats what i did for my chapter icon. you cans see part of it on the pics of the veterans EDIT: oh, and on the dreads shield as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1795269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted December 4, 2008 Author Share Posted December 4, 2008 Great start Mol. That AoBR conversion looks pretty smart, much better than the original. Cheers - looking forward to your step-by-step. :D im hanging onto this thread, you have to make the captain with the purity seal around his arm, that would be eepik! (epic but with a longer e) Hey, thanks. I came up with the idea of the purity seal - Tiberius disparagingly termed it the 'purity bandage'. In a way that's a good name for it. My thought is that in a way it exists to stop the daemon-weapon's corruption from seeping up his arm and affecting (symbolically) his heart or (realistically) his progenoids. Honestly the tricky thing I'm having trouble with is the ammo belt. There's a Khorne berserker torso with the ammo belt, but it doesn't have the eagle, and there's the eagle torso but it doesn't have an ammo belt. I'm a little bit lost as to what to do. i free handed about 10 or so (using a GS template i made) then got sick of it and didnt do any. my chapter symbol was slightly differant. if you can get a pic of the IA article from a few years back there is a skull on the bolter (doesnt have a jaw), thats what i did for my chapter icon. you cans see part of it on the pics of the veterans EDIT: oh, and on the dreads shield as well. Yeah, I've got it; I see what you mean. I'll have to see if I can freehand it. Worth a try, I suppose! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1795446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToyShip Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Honestly the tricky thing I'm having trouble with is the ammo belt. There's a Khorne berserker torso with the ammo belt, but it doesn't have the eagle, and there's the eagle torso but it doesn't have an ammo belt. I'm a little bit lost as to what to do. Maybe this will help? Just glue over the Eagle? http://www.thewarstore.com/product27193.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1795471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Tiberius Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 that's what I told him to do. ^_^ also suggest breaking out the greenstuff and some plastic rod bitz. I always liked that Sketch, I'm excited to see it "come to like". Hopefully He'll do the "chaplain" as well. ;) "chaplain" Chell http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/Cpt_Tiberius/Chell2_hi-WORK-LOREZ.jpg -T. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1795489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted December 4, 2008 Author Share Posted December 4, 2008 Tiberius suggested those, but they seem a bit bulky to me. I'd considered possibly the heavy bolter feed from the CSM kit, just because it's finer and more congruent with what Tiberius drew. I've had the chance to sculpt a little mohawk on Sergeant Raas, and I actually think it totally changes his look. Brother Merrick and I were talking about making the Relictors 'gritty', and I think that's what I want to do. http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/BlackCompany/Relictors-0005.jpg EDIT: Tiberius! Come on MSN! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1795492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToyShip Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Looks good, Mol and I agree the heavy bolter feed would work well. Oh and Cpt. Tiberius! That drawing is great. Why is he a "Chaplain"? No skull mask....so did their chaplain get killed and he took up the duties? ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1795497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted December 4, 2008 Author Share Posted December 4, 2008 Looks good, Mol and I agree the heavy bolter feed would work well. Oh and Cpt. Tiberius! That drawing is great. Why is he a "Chaplain"? No skull mask....so did their chaplain get killed and he took up the duties? ^_^ As I've said in another topic, Tiberius and I had planned a Relictors comic, and a lot of my background/research/characters stem from that period. I spent a lot of time trying to track down all the information I could about the Relictors in 998-999.M41, and had quite the storyline planned, involving a Word Bearers warband and the schemes of Huron Blackheart... As part of our set-up, the Chaplain in Thane's Company had been killed (losing one of the points of his 'moral compass' and increasing the danger of Chaos corruption) and Leonid Chell, the old wardog, had taken up the responsibilities of encouraging the troops. I'm likely going to do a model based on that Chell picture at some stage, but not immediately. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1795501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I know in one of the Armageddon fluff novels they fought at the Monolith in the equatorial jungle against Orks and Black Templars, but the book wasn't that logical so it could simply be a character model. It was the Typical McNeill Marine though, not much character. Are you going for an Indiana Jones-esque feel. Like the raider aspect not the whip or goofy story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1795506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted December 4, 2008 Author Share Posted December 4, 2008 I know in one of the Armageddon fluff novels they fought at the Monolith in the equatorial jungle against Orks and Black Templars, but the book wasn't that logical so it could simply be a character model. It was the Typical McNeill Marine though, not much character. Are you going for an Indiana Jones-esque feel. Like the raider aspect not the whip or goofy story. I didn't know that they fought against Black Templars on Armageddon. Did they leave any survivors? It'd seem to conflict with what we know about them on Armageddon (I mean, Dante wouldn't have let them leave!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1795516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted December 4, 2008 Author Share Posted December 4, 2008 Okay, here's the first WIP of Captain Thane - the bolt pistol is just tacked on right now: http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/BlackCompany/Thane-001.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1795638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I know in one of the Armageddon fluff novels they fought at the Monolith in the equatorial jungle against Orks and Black Templars, but the book wasn't that logical so it could simply be a character model. It was the Typical McNeill Marine though, not much character. Are you going for an Indiana Jones-esque feel. Like the raider aspect not the whip or goofy story. I didn't know that they fought against Black Templars on Armageddon. Did they leave any survivors? It'd seem to conflict with what we know about them on Armageddon (I mean, Dante wouldn't have let them leave!) Well the final passage was the Relictors charging the Templars so you don't know who wins. Infuriating novel to say the least but they are big players in the novel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1795652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 these look really nice Mol, Tiberius pic is really inspirational and the minis look like they're off to a good start too! funny, you had (kind of) the same idea i did with the purity bandage ( <_< ), been planning for a while that when i finally get around to doing my Captain, Erastus, for my Emperor's Blade army i will give him the same sort of thing to help protect him from his plasma pistol overheating! :mellow: just a little thought, i was thinking of adding a couple of actual seals (2 or 3 at most) running up from back of his hand to his elbow, kind of to hold the streamer on if you get what i mean? anyway, looking very good, will be watching with interest! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1795662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Tiberius Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I had meant to add a couple of wax seals onto the "bandage" to hold it together. for some reason I forgot to. Visually it's up to Mol though. I've seen a similar wrap on a vets leg and it didn't have any seals, so it's not technically necessary. Mol, The only thing I see is that I think the bandolier would look better flipped so that the percussion caps on the bolts were on top, rather than hanging out the bottom. Otherwise, looks good. -T. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1795895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Chaplain Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 i'm liking the blog so far mol: but I have a few comments on the thane model. The ammo belt looks good so far, but I think you need to continue drapig it over the shoulder with more ammo, so it gives the feel of it encircling the torso. Also, I'm just not digging the vanilla leg pose. I think some more dynamic looking legs would do him more justice :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153902-relictors-blog/#findComment-1795896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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