GK Hero Question

[Marlow]

I could not find the answer reading the FAQ and folk on Warseer where not sure. Can anyone here help?

 

A GK Hero is an Independent Character with Shrouding. So what happens when he join a non-GK Unit say some Tactical Marines.

Does the whole Tactical unit get Shrouding? Also in reverse does an IC gain Shrouding if he joins a GK Unit?

[number6]

There is no hard and fast rule on this. Anywhere.

 

The way my group plays it is "majority rules". If at least half the models in the unit has the shrouding, then the entire unit counts as benefitting. If less than half the models in the unit have the shrouding, then the entire unit doesn't get to benefit from it.

 

But that's just a house rule. You'll have to do the same yourself.

[Thaelion Hexis]

My opinion is no. The rule does not state that it is confered to any unit joined. The unit, as opposed to the character, is being targeted.

 

The Hero's litanies are such that he can distract the enemy from shooting at him. Unfortunately his power alone is not enough to distract from the larger unit. In the hail of fire hitting the unit, chants are not enough to avoid being hit by stray rounds.

[Aidoneus]

My opinion is no. The rule does not state that it is confered to any unit joined. The unit, as opposed to the character, is being targeted.

 

The Hero's litanies are such that he can distract the enemy from shooting at him. Unfortunately his power alone is not enough to distract from the larger unit. In the hail of fire hitting the unit, chants are not enough to avoid being hit by stray rounds.

I agree with this. Similarly, I'd say that a non-shrouding character in a unit of shrouded models (Inq with PAGK, for example) would benefit. In this case, the shrouding power of the PAGK could be thought to be distracting enough, or could mesh together enough throughout the unit, as to "cover" the inquisitor as well.

 

As Number6 said though, there is no hard-and-fast rule, so talk to your friends/opponents beforehand to agree on a system that works for you all.

[Tauren]

On the other-hand an inquisitor joining a unit of knights would count as under shrouding. Way I think about it is simple... He joins a unit, the unit is not gonna get hidden by him. A inquisitor joins a unit of knights... its more reasonable that he might be hidden within their numbers.

[Gentlemanloser]

I agree with this. Similarly, I'd say that a non-shrouding character in a unit of shrouded models (Inq with PAGK, for example) would benefit. In this case, the shrouding power of the PAGK could be thought to be distracting enough, or could mesh together enough throughout the unit, as to "cover" the inquisitor as well.

 

As Number6 said though, there is no hard-and-fast rule, so talk to your friends/opponents beforehand to agree on a system that works for you all.

 

This is how we play it, building from the other USR that if a Squad has them, they are applied to any IC that joins them, but if an IC has them, they are lost if they join a Squad without them.

 

Like Fearless.

[Aeddon]

Actually I'm pretty sure that there is a "hard and fast" rule for this. Look under "Special Rules" on page 48 for Independant Characters in the 40K rulebook. In order for the special rule to confer onto the Independent Character or the unit that he joins there must be something stating that it can in the special rule.

 

i.e. Shrouding, does it say that it affects elements in the same unit that don't usually get it? No.

[Lungboy]

i.e. Shrouding, does it say that it affects elements in the same unit that don't usually get it? No.

 

It also doesn't say that the unit loses Shrouding if joined by an IC. As you can't pick out the IC via shooting (unless a Vindicare etc), if you shoot at him then you shoot at the unit he is with, which does have Shrouding.

[benmothershaw]

Well considering the Hero is an attachment to the unit in question and the unit in question doesn't have the Grey Knight special rule. Then the answer is no