Bearboy Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Can we have a Space wolf Vendred and a nilla marines Vendred in the same army? Being hard to kill makes it look pretty tempting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 No, see the FAQ for that. It says clearly that we have to take the ven dread from C:SW and not from C:SM. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1799609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 no you can only have one venerable dreadnaught in your army. and the faq says that we have to use the one listed in Codex: Space Wolves Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1799610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 No, but its no real sweat, take your other dred as an Ironclad...or two! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1799615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 where does it say we can only have one Ven dred ? i might of missed that part , for my plan for a dred army 2000 point SW army is , 3 Ven dred as HQs and 3 normal dreds for elites XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1801093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Doth thou have the SW codex WhiteWolf? It clearly states the SW Ven Dread is an 0-1 HQ/Elite Choice and then the FAQ also clearly states that we cannot take Ven Dreads from C:SM. Methinks that you should have a Codex before trying to pull Pseudo-Ultrasmurf lists here in the Fang... we don't like Smurfs messing with our ale... -_- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1801124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thylacine Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I have a feeling that GW screw-up on this one, the 's' on the back of Dreadnoughts implies that we can't have more that one Venerable Dreadnought but thats the O-1 HQ V-dread, not the Space Marine V-dreads, as it clearly states "(as detailed on page 7)" whereas the standard SW Dreadnought rules are found on page 8 and says "SEE CODEX: SPACE MARINES" "The exception to this is the Venerable Dreadnoughts, which must be chosen from the Space Wolves army list (as detailed on page 7), and not the Space Marines army list." Previously we could have SM V-dreads but not as HQ's, so they would have the 'Hard to Kill' rule but not the 'Old and Wise' or 'Leader' rules. I would say that clearly you can have more than one Venerable dreadnought, but only one using the rules in the SW codex the others the rules from the SM codex. Doth thou have the SW codex WhiteWolf? It clearly states the SW Ven Dread is an 0-1 HQ/Elite Choice and then the FAQ also clearly states that we cannot take Ven Dreads from C:SM. Methinks that you should have a Codex before trying to pull Pseudo-Ultrasmurf lists here in the Fang... we don't like Smurfs messing with our ale... typo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1801166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 This thing still going on? I thought it was already answered... You can only have the SW ven. dreadnought, plain as day in the SW FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1801173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 why couldnt you take 2 vens? It says it counts as an HQ or an Elite... So by that couldnt you take 1 as and hq and 1 as an elite? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1801200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 because the unit entry says 0-1 means only 1 no matter what foc entry it takes up. just like we can only have 20 wolf guard because the codex says so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1801207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 No, you can´t. Our ven dread is a 0-1 choise. 1 for the whole army. And no we can´t take the ´nilla ven dread as elite. The FAQ says clearly that we can´t take the ´nilla one at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1801208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 why couldnt you take 2 vens? It says it counts as an HQ or an Elite... So by that couldnt you take 1 as and hq and 1 as an elite? There is a 0-1 limit... already stated above... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1801210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 can some one please close this thread (the one time i am looking for the inquisition, and they are no where to be found).... i think a simple search will bring up at least three thread on this, besides.... my head is starting to hurt from the broken record sound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1801223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I still think you should be able to take 1 for hq and 1 for elite...but thats just me. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1801275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I still think you should be able to take 1 for hq and 1 for elite...but thats just me. ^_^ No you can't, don't think that way, you're just inviting other people to come to our forum to down talk us about trying to get 2 venerables in our list. -_- Yes please, lord rag, bits, max, someone, just close this thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1801504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thylacine Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I still think you should be able to take 1 for hq and 1 for elite...but thats just me. ^_^ No you can't, don't think that way, you're just inviting other people to come to our forum to down talk us about trying to get 2 venerables in our list. -_- Yes please, lord rag, bits, max, someone, just close this thing. It is an open forum where every opinion counts! I have a feeling that GW screw-up on this one, the 's' on the back of Dreadnoughts implies that we can't have more that one Venerable Dreadnought but thats the O-1 HQ V-dread, not the Space Marine V-dreads, as it clearly states "(as detailed on page 7)" whereas the standard SW Dreadnought rules are found on page 8 and says "SEE CODEX: SPACE MARINES" "The exception to this is the Venerable Dreadnoughts, which must be chosen from the Space Wolves army list (as detailed on page 7), and not the Space Marines army list." Previously we could have SM V-dreads but not as HQ's, so they would have the 'Hard to Kill' rule but not the 'Old and Wise' or 'Leader' rules. I would say that clearly you can have more than one Venerable dreadnought, but only one using the rules in the SW codex the others use the the rules from the SM codex. BTW how many Venerable Dreadnoughts can a Space Marine list have? Three? Then so can the Space Wolves if you want to spend the points there! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1801524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Ok, it much more clearly says 0-1...in the actual Venerable Dreadnought profile, not in another section of the Codex. We can't take more than one...it is one of the things we have to accept. However, you can take more than one regular Dreads, from the SM Codex, I am very happy at that because even though our Codex is old (as has been stated many times) we still kick butt with what there is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1801530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 It is an open forum where every opinion counts! I have a feeling that GW screw-up on this one, the 's' on the back of Dreadnoughts implies that we can't have more that one Venerable Dreadnought but thats the O-1 HQ V-dread, not the Space Marine V-dreads, as it clearly states "(as detailed on page 7)" whereas the standard SW Dreadnought rules are found on page 8 and says "SEE CODEX: SPACE MARINES" "The exception to this is the Venerable Dreadnoughts, which must be chosen from the Space Wolves army list (as detailed on page 7), and not the Space Marines army list." Previously we could have SM V-dreads but not as HQ's, so they would have the 'Hard to Kill' rule but not the 'Old and Wise' or 'Leader' rules. I would say that clearly you can have more than one Venerable dreadnought, but only one using the rules in the SW codex the others use the the rules from the SM codex. BTW how many Venerable Dreadnoughts can a Space Marine list have? Three? Then so can the Space Wolves if you want to spend the points there! First of all, I wasn't saying close the thread in general, not just for lunchbox's opinion, the thread starter himself wanted it closed because he already knew the answer after the fact and this forum is just getting silly with players trying to think they can have 2 ven. dreads from the SW codex because there is an "s" somewhere... Trust me, you can only have ONE ven. dread, simple as that. The reason C:SW has an "s" during the special rules parts is because it's referring to all the ven. dreads in general (yea there's more than one, just only one in each detachment though). Plus, you already proved yourself wrong, you stated in the FAQ where is says WE CANNOT TAKE the Ven. Dreadnought upgrade from C:SM. There you have it, no taking the C:SM ven. dread... so where are you getting your second and third ven. dread from?... because the C:SW has you limited 0-1... just like a wolf lord, a rune priest, and a wolf priest, they all have 0-1... or was this an oversight as well and we were meant to have 5 rune priests running around casting storm caller? Just stop posting about this and how ornery you guys are that nilla marines can have more crappy ven. dreads than we can, it's just silly. ^_^ -edited for grammar- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1801533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Space Wolf Vehicles: use the point costs and rule from Codex:Space Marines dreadnoughts, landspeeders, attack bikes, whirlwinds, landraiders, predators, and vindicators. all different variants and options available to the Space Marines are also available to the Space Wolves. THE EXCEPTION TO THIS IS THE VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT, WHICH MUST BE CHOSEN FROM THE SPACE WOLVES ARMY LIST (as detailed on page 7), AND NOT THE SPACER MARINE ARMY LIST. ok here is what it say from the US/english FAQ. i have put in bold the pert where it states that we must use Codex Space Wolf for the venerable dreadnought. the venerable dreadnought in codex: space marines is it's own elite choice, so not being an "upgrade" for a normal dreadnought, we can't use it. we use to be able to take two. back when upgrading the normal C:SM dreadnought to a venerable one was possible (even though it really wasn't, but because of wording, this was often overlooked). but those days are gone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1801602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 ok for those of you saying you can have an hq one and an elite. the wording is Hq OR an elite. or means one or the other not both. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1801676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Ok sure, look at Codex: Space marines for dreadnaughts all you want, but you wont be able to get their venerable dreadnaughts because its a Different entry! The S on the end of dreadnaughts is because we can also use the Ironclad... wich is a form of dreadnaught. Its also because we can take multiple vehicles.... neither interpretation is nessecairily wrong, but neither interpretation says we can take vendreads from C:SM. Yes, it does say in our faq we can use all the variants... right next to where it says except the venerable, wich we take as per codex space wolf. As for the FOC argument is HQ OR Elite. Not and/or. Therefore you have to choose one of the two options, not both. Kind of like staying or going. tea and cake OR death.... Its rather simple. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1801884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Either way if you choose it as an Elite OR an HQ it still says 0-1 beside Venerable Dreadnought.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154305-2-venerable-drednaughts/#findComment-1802355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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