Chhoser of teh Slain

[AnarchX]

Does Chooser of the Slain give you +1 attacks IN CC even if you have a Storm Shield?

 

Thanks,

 

AnarchX

[Brother_West]

yes sir Chooser of the Slain gives you 1+ attack in CC as long as you dont have an additonal handweapon. So if you had a bolt pistol and chainsword you wouldn't get the 1+ attack. But because you dont have a BP you get the 1+ attack :)

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

no it doesnt as the rules for the storm shield specifically states you do not get an additional attack as it takes up your arm.

 

wolf lord kieran

[whitewolfmxc]

but chooser of the slain is a bird ............it doesn't take you an arm to let it attack lol

[Bran Scalphunter]

Unfortunately, this is a highly debated topic that boils down to 2 camps:

 

A being the yes, as it lets you count as having an additonal CCW in H2H. For what it's worth I'm with Camp A

 

B however says nay, as Storm Shield states you may never gain an additional attack to 2 CCW in camp.

 

It's all just a how the person interperts things, as CotS is not an actual weapon, it's a flapping annoying bird contraption that circles the Rune Priest and defends him if necessary. On the other hand, the Storm Shield is not actually a weapon but is taken from the Weapon section.

 

RAW v. RAI at its best

 

Check the 2nd link in my siggy, we probably have covered it but I'm too lazy to look for an answer.

[Thylacine]

I always thought that the Rune Priest with the Runic Staff and Chooser of the Slain was a great looking model and I have seen some really good artwork on the bird, but, for the rules it was lame. Cost 10 points, use at the start of a game,opponent has to roll a 4+ for each unit of infiltrators and it can be used as a second CCW but you have probably given him one already and the +1 attack does not stack.

 

In close to eight years of gaming with SW's I have never seen it taken to a tournament! I know a few people who have the model and it mostly comes out on day two of the tournament and is added to the army for the painting scores before the games start. (I notice more and more people do this?)

[Growler67]

Couldn't the shield be used as a buckler and swung at an opponent back-handed as a blunt instrument? Think of it as a large Adamantine tennis racquet "serving up" a little beating. I've not played in such a long time that I've missed the whole debate. In the manner I described I think it would allow for the Special Rule to be used to gain another attack offensively. I think the original intent was to not provide a grey area for an additional weapon because the hand was actually free. Thus you couldn't gain an additional attack because weilding the shield to deflect incoming rounds or strikes would be it's primary action in a defensive manner rather than offensive. This might actually be a good question to pose to the rules lawyers on the GW forum to get an "official" clarification.

[Grey Mage]

It doesnt matter how it "could" work. What matters is how it does.

 

Storm Shield says you never get +1 attack for "having an additional close combat weapon"

Chooser of the Slain says you count as being equiped "with an additional close combat weapon".

 

Therefor you dont get another attack..... RAW.

 

You can house rule it anyway you want of course, just be honest with your opponents please.

[muzzyman1981]

As much as I can see the opposite, you can't argue with what it says. They have it right, since CoS says it's an additional CCW and SS's don't allow the extra attack from CCWs. As has been said the "bird" isn't swung by hand but the writing is in black and white.