Godhead Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Here is a list of questions about the landspeeder storm and what I think the answers are, can I get some feedback confirming? DISCLAIMER: These answers are not offical, these are what I think the answers are. I am looking for clarification. 1. Can we use landspeeder storms? A: Yes. Its a landspeeder varient. 2. Can it carry wolf scouts? A: yes, scouts are scouts are scouts are scout. SW scouts just have hides and long beards, but still wear scout armor. 3. Can it OBEL? A: I believe yes. 4. Can scouts assault out of the Landspeeder storm? A: Yes, its an open topped vehicle. 5. How far can the Landspeeder storm move and still disembark troops in orde to assault? A: I honestly am not sure. I want to say 12". Is this correct? Can a Landspeeder storm move 12" and then disembark its troops so that they can assault? So this is how I think they work. Help a pup out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154481-landspeeder-storm/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Here is a list of questions about the landspeeder storm and what I think the answers are, can I get some feedback confirming? DISCLAIMER: These answers are not offical, these are what I think the answers are. I am looking for clarification. 1. Can we use landspeeder storms? A: Yes. Its a landspeeder varient. 2. Can it carry wolf scouts? A: yes, scouts are scouts are scouts are scout. SW scouts just have hides and long beards, but still wear scout armor. 3. Can it OBEL? A: I believe yes. 4. Can scouts assault out of the Landspeeder storm? A: Yes, its an open topped vehicle. 5. How far can the Landspeeder storm move and still disembark troops in orde to assault? A: I honestly am not sure. I want to say 12". Is this correct? Can a Landspeeder storm move 12" and then disembark its troops so that they can assault? So this is how I think they work. Help a pup out. 3. Can it OBEL? A: No it can't. It's not an option for the LS storm, but you can outflank with them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154481-landspeeder-storm/#findComment-1801674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godhead Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 Why can't it OBEL? I thought I read in the rulebook that models with scout moves confered that rule onto their transports as well? If so wouldnt OBEL work the same? Either way.. what about the rest. I E. the Movement/Disembark/Assault questions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154481-landspeeder-storm/#findComment-1801684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Why can't it OBEL? I thought I read in the rulebook that models with scout moves confered that rule onto their transports as well? If so wouldnt OBEL work the same? Either way.. what about the rest. I E. the Movement/Disembark/Assault questions? LS storm has DS and scout as it's options, that's it. When you discuss the BBB you talk about 'scout' and 'infiltrate', no where does it say OBEL, which is it's own special rule. It can still outflank though because 'scout' is an option as one of its special rules. As for assaulting out, if the LS storm didn't move more than 12" it's fine to assault out of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154481-landspeeder-storm/#findComment-1801693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 What he said. No OBEL, assault, etc. I want to get one when they come out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154481-landspeeder-storm/#findComment-1801744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 What he said. No OBEL, assault, etc. I want to get one when they come out. I've been contemplating converting one or waiting for them to come out with one... knowing my luck they'll release the info just when I start the chop shop. :lol: There's been some cool conversions already in the WIP section, might want to look into those. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154481-landspeeder-storm/#findComment-1801752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 What do you mean when they come out? You makem out of the land speeder box I thought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154481-landspeeder-storm/#findComment-1801769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 What do you mean when they come out? You makem out of the land speeder box I thought. The box set only allows you to make the regular speeders, there's none that look like the one in the codex... but you could always make one. Also I don't know if GW will make a box for them... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154481-landspeeder-storm/#findComment-1801776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Umm.... all you do is leave the hatches off between the crew and engine compartments, maybe do a little green stuff. Atleast thats what I did. :S. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154481-landspeeder-storm/#findComment-1801802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Umm.... all you do is leave the hatches off between the crew and engine compartments, maybe do a little green stuff. Atleast thats what I did. :S. Sounds about right, just that I don't think there's enough room for 5 scouts... maybe handing off the sides. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154481-landspeeder-storm/#findComment-1801826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I once saw a 'stretch' speeder that would work. The existing speeder kit wont work, IMHO. Not for me anyway. Gotta have some sort of crew area. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154481-landspeeder-storm/#findComment-1801831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 For people who are arguing scale the only thing I can say is look at the rhino.... scale between vehicle and infantry has never been this games strong suit, though it is getting better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154481-landspeeder-storm/#findComment-1801866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Okay, you guys are KILLING me!!!! Maybe I'm dating myself but I haven't played in some time. Having started with the Dark Eldar I had "ideas" about certain things when I started my SW's some time later. The VDR had just come out and I knew the advantages of a fast transport that offered a bit more protection than being open topped or otherwise unarmored. Though the cost was somewhat prohibitive I built this model anyway. Mostly for speed adn to avoid the hassles with difficult terrain. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/tyggrr65/Models/Space%20Wolves/LS%20Storm/DSC01722.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/tyggrr65/Models/Space%20Wolves/LS%20Storm/DSC01724.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/tyggrr65/Models/Space%20Wolves/LS%20Storm/DSC01725.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/tyggrr65/Models/Space%20Wolves/LS%20Storm/DSC01727.jpg You'll note that in the last pic I inverted the exhaust through the runner board for that little bit of added detail. I kitbashed an old KA-50 I had hanging around for it's pylon wings and tail section. I added a pair of 1/48 scale AIM-7 Sparrow missile wings to the tail section. Some ForgeWorld SW Land Raider vehicle dressing bits I had (and still have) and a couple of antennas and other bits for dressing. I think the front "hood ornament" was an Fantasy Orc shield, but I don't recall anymore. I'm in the process of removing it and though I tried, I don't think it will be salvagable. I have removed the belly slab of plastic sheet. I did have 3 modified Jump Packs as the means of propulsion. I have not found much on the LS Storm but what I have gave me an idea this morning. As I have only recently found a local hobby store that has (without having to drive 45 minutes to the nearest other that MAY have) some of the Plastruct stuff that I like to use, I was planning a trip after getting off from work this morning. I have a few speeders but only enough to completely build 2. From the remaining bits I have done the following. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/tyggrr65/Models/Space%20Wolves/LS%20Storm/DSC01718.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/tyggrr65/Models/Space%20Wolves/LS%20Storm/DSC01719.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/tyggrr65/Models/Space%20Wolves/LS%20Storm/DSC01721.jpg I will graft onto the front of the "flying Rhino" where the "hood ornament" is the cockpit section of the speeder. I will use the speeder wings as the cannards I've seen in the concept drawings for the LS Storm. I will then place another belly slab of plastic sheet and add on some parts that I have for my usual model building interests. I have several Hasegawa 1/48 Aircraft Accessorie kits. Specifically chosen for this project i an going to use 2 Pave Knife targeting pods as the engine nacelles for the two outboard engines. I'll be using the exhaust from the LS, the diameters match up well. For the third, I'm cutting off the "spacer" portion from behind the seatback/firewall and converting it into the third exhaust. I will try to model the nacelle from Plastruct tubing of similar diameter and blend it all together. I'd like more info on this vehicle if it is available. Links would be just fine too. I'm doing a "Ricochet Rabbit" thing between my ears while I'm waiting on more epoxy putty from Armorcast to finish sculpting my "Lord of Change" aka Morkai. Also stripping my Blood Claws in Simple Green. My Grey Hnters and VenDred are next in the que for a bath. I've stripped my Assault squad and will be getting to work on them soo. Still working on the Scout Sniper conversion as well. If you guys keep introducing (to me since I'm just getting back into the 40K universe) new ideas and such I'll NEVER get done doing anything more than having more ideas than I can build!!!! Oh yeah, I'm still building my Long Fangs as the only weapons I have are the old metal ones and I'd like to get the plastic ones for weight purposes. I have suspended work on them until I can get a Devastator weapons sprue somehow (eBay or whatever). I'll update with more pics with progress reports. I also need to catch some Zzzz's. *sighs and shakes head side-to-side* [meek voice] killing me....[/meek voice] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154481-landspeeder-storm/#findComment-1801995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Some cool stuff you're doing there Growler. Nice to see the old rhino chassis are still useful and still look great. :( "WGBL Omar, what's that large object flying overhead?" "Oh, it looks like a... RHINO?!, what in Odin's name have those Iron priests done now?!... Is that Wolf Scout Leader Hrof hanging off the side?!, Oh now I'm jealous I want one " Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154481-landspeeder-storm/#findComment-1802119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godhead Posted December 10, 2008 Author Share Posted December 10, 2008 Hmmmmn so that would mean I'd still have a 24" threat range for 2 plasma pistols and a melta gun and some pw weapons to boot. Plus I could kit up a heavy flamer or a multi melta for extra killy love. :ph34r: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154481-landspeeder-storm/#findComment-1802283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I agree, the older (and newer) rhinos couldnt fit a unit of troops.. but all the same, there is no room for ANY troops on a speeder as it is, even if you leave the engine doors open and dont put anything in there. It needs some sort of platform or cargo area.. or at least hooks/ropes from the bottom for the scouts to hang off of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154481-landspeeder-storm/#findComment-1802347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Okay a bit of a rethink. I got me a copy of the C:SM and found a few more pics on the web Googling and also came across this: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=152431 I'll keep the Rhino conversion set aside for now. I did remove the wings and have grafted them onto the rear fuselage section (having separated the Landspeeder previously) and will use the smaller wings clipped off the landspeeder for the cannards. I have plasicard and some "L" and "I" beam pieces as well as some "old" vehicle bits to build a "crew deck" between the two sections of the fuselage. I will be using some other odds and ends as well as other "old" bits like grab rails and grab handles to complete this project. I've got a better idea of what this variant is supposed to look like and will have a few "special" personal touches in store to complete it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154481-landspeeder-storm/#findComment-1802427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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