Black Templars: A Comprehensive History

[Vash113]

Battle Barge Light of Purity

-Flagship of High Marshal Sigismund during the 3rd War for Armageddon

 

Quick note: Helbrecht was High Marshal for 3rd War of Armegeddon...

 

Oh, copy paste error :rolleyes:...

[Grand Master Tyrak]

I've had a sniff around and in the 40k 5th ed. rule book, p116, the diagram of Terra does show that the Imperial and Ecclesiarchal Palace are on different sides of the planet.

 

Also, just to add a little detail, the Sword of Sacrilege is a Despoiler Class Battleship, according to Index Astartes: Imperial Fists.

[Vash113]

Yea but remember the Ecclesiarchical palace didn't exist during the 1st Siege of Terra, which means that the location would have to be the Emperor's Palace for the info to be true.

 

But that's GW inconsistensy for ya.

 

As for the Sword of Sacrilige the full info is in the Imperial Fists: Comprehensive History.

[Brother Hadafix]

Loved it! Great read! only one or two things, you missed out how the High Marshal is chosen and.... there was something but i cant remember, is excellent though.

 

Dp you know of any good BT novels? I cant find any B)

[Marshal Rohr]

There are two about Fighting Company Alder IIRC fighting on Armageddon to revenge what a specific Ork tribe did to their chapter keep on Solemnus again IIRC. First book was awesome the second wasn't quite so good. And obvioulsy Damnation Crusade has some interesting insights into the recruiting methods and exploits of the, surprisingly enough, damnation crusade.

[Grand Master Tyrak]

Vash113 Posted Dec 18 2008, 09:49 PM

Yea but remember the Ecclesiarchical palace didn't exist during the 1st Siege of Terra, which means that the location would have to be the Emperor's Palace for the info to be true.

 

But that's GW inconsistensy for ya.

 

Question: Do you mean the 2nd Siege of Terra?

 

If NO, what bearing does it have on the 2nd Siege of Terra?

 

If YES, what's your source?

 

I'm determined to get this cleared up now. :)

[Marshal Rohr]

There is a passage that describes the fighting in the precincts of the Emperor's Palace and the fact that it had not been done since the days of the Horus Heresy.

[Vash113]

From Codex: Black Templars page 19:

 

With the capture of the outer walls, forces loyal to the Emperor fought within the precincts of the palace, something that had not happened since the dark days of the Horus Heresy.

 

Now since the Ecclesiarcal Palace didn't exist during the Horus Heresy for the above to be true it would have to be the Emperor's Palace.

[Marshal Rohr]

Vash found it. It sucks there isn't more to describe it though, it would be really nice to have details on this huge Imperial Civil War.

[Vash113]

Vash found it. It sucks there isn't more to describe it though, it would be really nice to have details on this huge Imperial Civil War.

 

Yea, sadly despite information in the BT, and WH codexies there still isn't a whole lot to go on. You'd also think that there would be more than 4 Chapters involved. Even if the entirety of them were there your still looking at about 10,000 marines or less, in reality it was likely less than 3000. Considering that 3 whole Loyalist Legions (White Scars, Imperial Fists, Blood Angels), 6 whole Traitor Legions (Thousand Sons, World Eaters, Death Guard, Iron Warriors, Emperor's Children, Sons of Horus) and a detatchment from a 7th (Word Bearers) were all involved in the 1st Siege of Terra, elements from only 4 chapters is a pitifull comparison.

[Marshal Rohr]

There ARE 6000 of us, and we do excel at cracking fortifications. It also wasn't Marines fighting against us this time. It was glorified guardsmen and some pre-sisters of battle, no match for the Imperial Fists LEGION.

 

Also it appears as if you have missed HM Sigenandus from your big list of influential Templars. Also I found the stuff on Rammius, it was written by McNeill but the pages were ripped out. I can't believe that I am the only one who knows what this is...

Edited December 21, 2008 by Marshal2 Crusaders

[Vash113]

There ARE 6000 of us, and we do excel at cracking fortifications. It also wasn't Marines fighting against us this time. It was glorified guardsmen and some pre-sisters of battle, no match for the Imperial Fists LEGION.

 

Yea but there's no indication of how many Templars were involved, could have been very few, or a ton. Same goes for the other Chapters.

 

Also it appears as if you have missed HM Sigenandus from your big list of influential Templars. Also I found the stuff on Rammius, it was written by McNeill but the pages were ripped out. I can't believe that I am the only one who knows what this is...

 

What material is Sigenandus in?

 

Also if you can find more info on Rammius I'll be glad to include it, I'm surprised its so elusive myself.

[Marshal Rohr]

It was one of the White Dwarves around the release of the dwarves or right before the Tau. Sigenandus was from the profile from the different Marshals in the White Dwarf with the Easterlings for LotR in it. He was the High Marshal who led the Terran Crusade, I thought it was in C:BT too.

[Vash113]

Oh right yea I remember now he is in the BT Dex, I'll have to add that in.

[Marshal Rohr]

I dont have access to my Codex and materials currently as I have moved and they are still on the mainland. So I can't really be of that much use.

 

 

2 NBew Crusades from the old IA books:

-the Vortigern Crusade, in which Boraneus Rex(Land Raider) participated

-Teutanus Crusade to cleanse the Palaides Cluster

Edited December 22, 2008 by Marshal2 Crusaders

[Marshal Rohr]

^^^^^

 

Shameless bump

 

I added new Crusades to my previous post. YOu did say comprehensive right? :)

 

 

also I can't remember if you included the Garon Crusade, it was listed in one of the quotes, specifically the one about the settlers being found dead presumably after the Templars went Teutonic Knights on them for being heretics or whatever.

 

If the Crusade has no information attached do you stil want them or do you prefer to only include stuff that has blurbs attached?

[Vash113]

Yes the "ill-fated" Garon crusade, I haven't been including Crusades that have less than a paragraph or so of information on them, unlike the other segments it's the substance that is most informative, not just the names, there are tons of Crusade names with nothing attatched to the name so I figured keeping to what had substance would be better. After all there are so many even so.

[Marshal Rohr]

I suggest keeping them in as a sidebar or something to allow players who are un familiar with BT's to pick a Crusade title they like and make their own Crusade like a DIY flavoring if you will.

[Vash113]

Alright so then we have the:

 

-Vortigern Crusade, in which the Land Raider Boraneus Rex Participated

-Teutanus Crusade, tasked to cleanse the Palaides Cluster

-Garon Crusade, tasked to cleanse the tainted zealot world of Garon.

 

Is Rammius a crusade or character?

[Ferrus Manus]

Here's a bit of research we did with Mol for the Castigators, hopefully its of some use to you.

 

The Garon Nebula is a region in the Segmentum Tempestus, close to the Ork empire of Octavius and the advance path of Hive Fleet Leviathan.

 

In the back of the Black Templars Codex there is a reference to the Garon Crusade which leads into the Garon Nebula.

 

The Hell Stars are a group of closely packed Stars in the Garon Nebula. The Garon Nebula resides close to two Ork Home Worlds, V'Run and Jurn.

I found this in Lexicanum, 40k wiki, and other sites.

 

One such crusade was led by Castellan Raimer, master of the strike cruiser Ophidium Gulf, and survivor of the ill-fated Garon crusade.

 

"I saw the scene of massacre where the dead lay on the ground like fallen leaves in a forest. The settlers had not died as soldiers in the heat of battle, fired with adour and courage, with weapons in their hands and exchanging blow for blow. Theyhad died as helpless must, with their hearts filled with horror worse than death." - Excerpted from Inquisitor Barzano's investigation into the Garon Nebula Crusade

 

Every world in the Imperium is home to a culture unique to itself, and the people of each world worship the Emperor in a manner informed by its own characteristics. For the Helio-Cultists of Limnus Epsilon, for example, the Emperor resides in their sun, his warriors coming every century to claim the best of the world's youth to fight at his side within the fiery heart of their star. To the Apocalites of the worlds bordering the Hell-Stars of the Garon Nebula, he is the bringer of merciful death, deliverance from the evil that stalks their worlds by night.

 

And apparently in Codex: Black Templars, it apparently mentions that the Garon Crusade had 132 Battle-Brothers. The internet says the Crusade was "ill-fated", but doesn't say why.

Edited December 23, 2008 by Ferrus Manus

[Marshal Rohr]

Rammius was a character. The sotry as far as I can recall recounted his deeds from a boy into a sword brethren and the fact he wore a suit of TDA worn by the Captain of the Banner. He fought a warboss in combat and even though it cost him his life he killed the warboss.

I would just list his name like SIgenandus.

 

somethign liek

 

Venerable Brother Rammius: Hero of the Armageddon Crusade, formerly a Sword Brethren to High Marshal Helbrecht.

[Vash113]

Alright an updated version still prior to coding:

 

Black Templars: A Comprehensive History

 

Introduction

 

The Black Templars are a truly unique force amongst the Adeptus Astartes, one of the few Chapters that completely disregards the Codex Astartes and all its tenets, fighting in the tradition of their ancestors, exemplifying the ways of war favored by the first High Marshal Sigismund. True crusading warrior knights the Black Templars have a character and feel like no other and here I

[Marshal Rohr]

I approve. Not that it matters ;) .

[Grand Master Tyrak]

2nd Siege of the Imperial Palace

. . . . The Brides of the Emperor was a militant sect of nuns that Goge Vandire had enlisted as his strong arm,

 

Typo. ;)

 

Also, under "Beliefs", could you add that the Black Templars accept the Grey Knights, as they have proven themselves pure despite being psykers.

Edited December 23, 2008 by Grand Master Tyrak

[Von Richthofen]

Emperor's Champion Angsar (I think) was featured in the first of the Black Library BT books. There was also a named Dreadnought, Marshal (Brandt I think) and Castellan who's names also escape me. Guess what else I can't remember: the name of the Crusade, naturally. Stupid goldfish brain... I'm also not sure about any details from the sequel novel, since it's impossible to find.

 

If I can find the first book in the next few days, I can probably elaborate on the above.