Alys Dwr Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Shortsonfire79, i have a feeling many more people will turn up as this thing manifests in physical form! As to the size of it, that's not set at all. I just found a tape measure function and though it woul be fun! I think if you were to construct this at roughly 45' tall (in game size) it would be fine as a warhound-a-like. Would that make the model around 12" tall? As i mentioned in a PM, i'll have a tweak with it tomorrow to sort out scale, weapons etc. Would somebdy be able to measure the head of a warhound titan model (length, width, height) and the length of the weapons and post me the dimensions? I'd like to make the head the right size and scale the rest to fit to see how it all fits. +WARNING... POSSIBLE CHEESE ALERT...+ If you were to go beyond the remit of this project and design an entirely new class of titan, the 85' form would be a good start! I'm thinking two of the warhound weapons on the shoulders, 2x twin linked heavy bolters on the belly(defensive), a tail mounted battle cannon, apocalypse misslie launcer on the back and a couple of AA mount twin lined autocannons on the tops of the shoulders. +END OF CHEESE...+ I'd love to see this stay as a warhound but it's Full_Chokes puppy and whatever he says goes.:lol: Al Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1810560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full-choke Posted December 17, 2008 Author Share Posted December 17, 2008 Al- By all means this is going to stay as a Warhound class titan. I was just having some fun and saying if this thing was really 85' tall I would be stacking that thing with weapons and turn this thing into a 4-legged Warlord, lol. Let's see...if this thing were to stand about 45' tall for the purpose of Warhound: At 6' to 1.181", that means it should stand about 8.8575" tall on the table. SO, I would venture to say a nice rounded 9" tall on the table would be perfectly in order. From there though I would say that we will have to go to with your design for proper width and length. F-C Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1810576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sultansean Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 That last sketch is very good and seems like a really original idea. If you were wanting to keep it small (for a titan) but with more guns than the standard warhound, how about putting a third gun in the mouth? Would justify the need for the bigger body, but still be smaller than the revanant. Good luck and keep the idea juices flowing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1810664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaolin_Monkey Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I think you should go with the Wolf idea you mentioned briefly. make it a small 4 legged warhound that mainly attacks with its mouth (give it a wolf shaped head with the jaws opened around a big cannon) rather than having the weapons out the side, slim it down to look sleek and fast, have one weapon in the mouth and then the other could either be in a back mounted turret or even split between the two sides - i see no reason why a Vulcan Mega Bolter for instance couldnt consist of 5 forward facing barrels on the side of each shoulder. anyways these are just some suggestions, all in all they are all great ideas so far, cant wait to see how this progresses Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1810688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full-choke Posted December 17, 2008 Author Share Posted December 17, 2008 Okay, need some more help on suggestions, this time it is for fluff! This is officially going to be classified as a Warhound "Bulldog" Class Battle Titan. Now keep in mind that the only difference is that this design is more geared to be firepower support, rather then to have scouting capability like the Forge World Titans. Also, the design of this Titan requires a Princeps that is immersed in an amniotic casket for operation and connection to the MIU. This class is extremely rare to be seen or used and is only trusted to the most experienced, battle hardy crews who have served previously in Warhound Scout Titans. The thought is that this is a Titan that a princeps would move over to as the age and are not as agile and able to accept the punishment of disconnection from the MIU, etc. etc. So what I need help on...what Forge World should this be from? Should we come up with a good name for a new one or should we use another existing world? If so I think it should be based off of a Lucius Pattern as it seems to resemble the boxy look of those Titans compared to the smooth contour of the Mars Patterns. If we decide on a different Forge World then it will also require a pattern name, but that needs to be decided on after the World is decided. Also, seeing as how this is going to be used in my Ad Mech army, I think it is going to get dubbed a Legio Erratus (named after the god erra, god of mayhem, destruction and pestilence) machine when I build it. But, I need to decide on some kind of good paint scheme for this thing as I don't think I want to do my typical oily boltgun and red gore. I think it deserves a sweet, battle worn paint job from a superb Titan Legion. So any thoughts on paint schemes would be helpful too. F-C Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1811207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alys Dwr Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Hi all, Now i'm not that fantastic on titan fluff so i think i'll steer clear of that part of the discussion. However, after several PM's and emails we've arrived at this: http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l39/bonsai-al/warhound4.jpg Not much of a change, the gun mounts now have room to point in all directions, the head is a bit bigger and the whole model has been re-scaled to 45' tall. I think Full_Choke is planning on constructing it to about 9" tall, which will be about right for the table IMO. Although the design is almost finished, i've still got a long way to go! I want to "pimp that virtual titan" for all it's worth, i've really enjoyed this and don't fancy stopping yet. Who knows, i might end up doing 3D models for all the imperiums equipment. Al Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1811631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortsonfire79 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I gguess I'm back =-D I didn't bother reading the stuff. But I'm back..Looking good..and the same =-D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1811662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full-choke Posted December 18, 2008 Author Share Posted December 18, 2008 Well, I have decided on a forge world and written up a bunch of fluff. Some for the Titan, some for the planet, and some for the legion. In summary: Legio Erratus is based upon the planet Calx Domus (latin for stone home). They are the sole users of the "Bulldog" Class Titans and there are very few of them in existence there. The "Bulldog" was designed and modified off of the STC for the Warhound to accomodate for the planets unsavoury surface. Over 70% of the planet is covered in jagged peaks and fisures of hard rock and is largely uninhabited. It was originally settled by the Cult Mechanicus as a mineral mining planet to supply the nearby Cadian Gate region and it lies just outside of the Agripinaa Sector. It is in the Segmentum Obscurus but is relatively unwanted by either side. Aside from the bounty of minerals that can be mined from the planet it serves no purpose for production and or colonizing. The planet is extremely limited in population and production which makes building the Titans extremely slow and tedious as everything is made there. The Forge Master there is Adept Seniorus Vero Alasdair who is responsible for the design of the "Bulldog" Class as he made it to defend their planet. The "Bulldog" Titans are considered to be the most fierce Warhounds out there when it comes to their Machine Spirit. This is due to the fact that each "Bulldog" is re-designed and manufactured differently from the STC design. This causes the Machine Spirits to become more aggressive and volatile. This also causes the Princeps who command them to be extremely strong minded and even then they have a very short useful life. The MIU and Machine Spirit break the minds of the Princeps faster then any other Titan design used by the Imperium. Titans of note include: Letum Lokis, the orginal Warhound constructed on Calx Domus; Mortis Arestes, the first “Bulldog” Titan; and Hadur Nex. Hadur Nex and Mortis Arestes are known to be the only “Bulldog” Titans to single-handedly bring down a Warlord Titan. Letum Lokis is a STC design that failed to operate successfully on the planet but it still used by the Legio in times of need. The "Bulldog" Titans are known to be extremely aggressive in battle and have a very "in your face" kind of fighting style. They are known to stalk their prey and kill them by literally stabbing them in the back unprotected and unannounced. Many other Titan Legions do not like Legio Erratus because of their unsavoury nature of combat. ++EDIT++ Official Titan Classification is the Domus Pattern "Bulldog" Class Warhound Titan Any questions, concerns, comments are welcome... F-C Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1812529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiplash Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 well what every you do dont have it in a static pose it needs to look like it could hurt someone not like a statue Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1812830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full-choke Posted December 18, 2008 Author Share Posted December 18, 2008 Absolutely, I agree. I would like to have it either smashing a Chaos Tank under foot or climbing some kind of large rock. I think the rock might be kind of cool considering the background of why it was designed the way it was and such. This is what I did with my regular Warhound...not the best scratch build, but I'm learning, and really hoping I can take my time and do much much better on this one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1812872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
verpine Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Either the angle of the picture is bad or that is one anorexic warhound! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1812991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiplash Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 yeah the picture is squished width ways (btw) i seem to remember those legs being plastic where were they from? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1812995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full-choke Posted December 18, 2008 Author Share Posted December 18, 2008 The top 1/3 is custom built out of some Plastruct Plastic, and bottom 2/3 is from a Dust Game 'Gunther' Model. The main portion of the body is from the model as well. I custom built the top carapace and the guns. I need to build the Vulcan Mega Bolter and the Inferno Cannon...not gonna use a Plasma Blastgun on that model though. Might be putting one on this one but don't know yet, hard to make those look like something... And yes, the picture is squished a little from the side and it is a poor angle too. The model actually looks really good for only being my 3rd scratch build ever...If you look up the thread 'Slowly Building a Warhound Titan' it shows how I did it. F-C Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1813014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtNACHO Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 I think you should put the Titan in a pouncing pose. Have the front half lowered close to the ground and the rear in the air. This will make it look quite dog like and a little more menacing then the statue one. I still don't get how a Titan can have less guns then a predator. I would at least throw some storm or maybe even heavy bolters on the chin and stuff. It just seems that such a large fighting machine should be loaded up with all sorts of guns and such. Anyway It does look a little dog like although the gorilla really shines. Also with the front legs wider out then the rear ones it doesn't look like it would walk like a dog either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1813068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full-choke Posted December 19, 2008 Author Share Posted December 19, 2008 Well, I did some print outs today, almost to the size the model would be. Shoulder-to-shoulder the print out measured 8 inches, and the model will be 9.25. It really does look quite amazing when you start to see it in something that will resemble its actual size. Looking at the model I think I should decide on weapons before I start. I am going to try and magnet them so that I can switch them, but I'm not sure how easy it will be to do that. So, in the case that I can't, which two would you put on it? My thoughts were towards the Turbo-Lasers and either the Mega Bolter or Inferno Cannon. I think the Plasma Blastgun will be hardest to scratch build, but still could be done. I think the Inferno Cannon and Turbo Lasers would be the most balanced, but what would be the most effective? I could also run dual Turbo Lasers but I think switching it up would be nice. My other Titan is currently done that way although I am going to build some other arms, just hasn't happened yet... Also, need some suggestions on paint schemes! I was thinking either a dark blue with white trim, and make it look dirtied up. Or, go with a black and silver or gold trim, make it look dirty as well. Either one I think would look good on it. I don't think I will paint the whole thing up in it, prolly have some steel on the legs and such. Either way it needs a good paint job when it is done... F-C Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1813711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 AD, what program is that on? I am building a HL2 mod for titans and need a program to make a animated WH. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1813962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full-choke Posted December 20, 2008 Author Share Posted December 20, 2008 He did all the work on Google Sketchup. If you google 'Sketchup' they have a free download for version 7.0...It seems to be pretty easy to use, but it really is pretty easy to use. I have played around with it some but no where near what Al has. He seems to be extremely good at using it effectively. F-C Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1814754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Even better its free! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1814844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortsonfire79 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 A tad tardy. But I remember I stumbled upon this a few months ago. http://radojavor.deviantart.com/art/Imperial-Walker-79205821 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1815975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemFX Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I'd like to add two concepts in, if I may, the game Fallout Tactics has two walker bots like the ones you've shown, so hopefully they won't be out of place :D Pacification: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/...ion_Bot_FoT.jpg Behemoth: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/...mot_bos0122.jpg The Pacification robot would be loosely the size of a rhino, whereas the Behemoth is about the size of a land raider. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1816077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full-choke Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 While those are some sweet walkers I think we have our plans and design pretty well set. If this one works well and turns out as good as I am hoping I think I am going to revise plans and redo for a Reaver Class titan, so maybe then they will come in handy! F-C Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1816902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full-choke Posted December 23, 2008 Author Share Posted December 23, 2008 Started the head last night. I am hoping that I can finish the frame of that and possibly have it carded by Christmas morning. Next step is going to be the main body, followed by the secondary body. I am making the framework out of 1/8 inch square plastic tubing. I used it on the cerberus project and turned out extremely sturdy. Some of the larger, load-bearing pieces (legs on this model) will get something heavier. I'm not sure what I am going to use yet to help them look right, but I will figure it out. Also, any help on something to make the elbow/knee/shoulder joints with, I am at a loss for those! F-C Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1818246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminatorinhell Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 i can tell that this is gonna be wicked! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1818263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortsonfire79 Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Can't really help there...Show us some pics of the framework, then we'll decide. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1818325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full-choke Posted December 24, 2008 Author Share Posted December 24, 2008 Well, the build has begun...you can follow my progress here: Bulldog Titan Build I posted pictures of the head framework today. I was planning on keeping this thread more design related and the other more build related. Any Q&C is very welcome as I am starting the project out! F-C Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154595-the-next-big-project/page/2/#findComment-1819072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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