Venter_Of_Russ Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 ...is -horrified- at the thought of a mess of grey knight terminators getting berserk charge? With their storm bolters counting as CCW's, that's a solid 5 attacks on the charge, at WS 5 Str 6 power weapon. Oh, and ragnar, of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Hey, look at that. They're -almost- as powerful as a Storm Claw squad of equivalent pricing. :( But aye, that's beasty right there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1803737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Howland Greywolf Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Now imagine doing that with all the SC's from codex Space marines, DA, BA and SW in one squad and watch the carnige. Apocalipse is fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1803756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 actually its only 3. one base, 2 for charging with beserk fury. the stormbolters are true grit weapons and do not count as additional combat weapons on the charge only in protracted combats. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1803758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Howland Greywolf Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 They do for grey knights. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1803766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 im sorry i must have been mistaken i assumed without thinking that it was with power armour grey knights. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1803788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
megamat008 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 The_Betrayed_Spacewolf is right, besides GKT don't even have true grit, and storm bolters are assault weapons so they only have 2 base attacks and 3 when charging on their own, 4 with Ragnar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1803793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 The_Betrayed_Spacewolf is right, besides GKT don't even have true grit, and storm bolters are assault weapons so they only have 2 base attacks and 3 when charging on their own, 4 with Ragnar. GKPA have only 1 attack, then 2 for charging with Rag for a total of 3, then 2 after that (stormbolter counts as 2nd ccw), if it was without Ragnar it's 2 no matter what. GKTDA have 2 attacks each, then 2 for charging with Rag, or 1 without Rag. The nasty thing is you can give the Brother Captain a holy relic... adding another +1 attack within 2D6"... shudders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1804028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. A. K. Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 If you use true grit (only Grey Knights get it with Stormbolters) you get no bonus attacks for charging, so take the 2 for ragnar's berzerk charge and after that use the two CCW rule for the 1 bonus. G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1804044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 If you use true grit (only Grey Knights get it with Stormbolters) you get no bonus attacks for charging, so take the 2 for ragnar's berzerk charge and after that use the two CCW rule for the 1 bonus. G First of all this rule only applies to GKPA not GKTDA. Second, just like in the SW codex, the word MAY comes right there in the sentence This means that they may count their storm bolters as bolt pistols in close combat and will therefore be allowed to roll an extra attack dice if they have been equipped with a second pistol or close combat weapon. So they still get the +2 from rag as I stated above, just not for having 2 ccw's because I chose not to... if you wanted 1 less attack then you MAY choose so... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1804047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
megamat008 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 GKTDA have 2 attacks each, then 2 for charging with Rag and 1 more for charging with 2ccw's for a total of 5. Could you show me where it is written in the DH codex that GKT's have 2 ccw's ? They have ONE cw, their NFW, and a storm bolter which doesn't count as a ccw as they don't have true grit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1804185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 GKTDA have 2 attacks each, then 2 for charging with Rag and 1 more for charging with 2ccw's for a total of 5. Could you show me where it is written in the DH codex that GKT's have 2 ccw's ? They have ONE cw, their NFW, and a storm bolter which doesn't count as a ccw as they don't have true grit. That was my mistake for certain, not sure what I was thinking, but it definitely wasn't correct as you only get the bonus for 2 1-handed weapons, never a 2-handed, it was an oversight and I knew the rule, for some reason when typing the numbers it came out wrong. :no: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1804211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pufnstuf Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 The_Betrayed_Spacewolf is right, besides GKT don't even have true grit, and storm bolters are assault weapons so they only have 2 base attacks and 3 when charging on their own, 4 with Ragnar. The nasty thing is you can give the Brother Captain a holy relic... adding another +1 attack within 2D6"... shudders. Doesn't work on charge. Relic can only be revealed if the bearor hasn't moved. So second round of CC and your good, or if you were charged. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1804256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Doesn't work on charge. Relic can only be revealed if the bearor hasn't moved. So second round of CC and your good, or if you were charged. Exactly, there's a reason why it can be revealed during your opponents turn. :no: Just saying it's more attacks to the combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1804262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pufnstuf Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Doesn't work on charge. Relic can only be revealed if the bearor hasn't moved. So second round of CC and your good, or if you were charged. Exactly, there's a reason why it can be revealed during your opponents turn. ^_^ Just saying it's more attacks to the combat. Ha ha true enough. Actually have a friend that does something evil that I helped him with. Can also be used in this case. Ally in a GK squad, equip justicare with relic. Ally in WH inq and give him an inquisitorial mandate (same thing as relic). On top of that he had pedro Kantor as his hq. Thats 3 bonus attacks on a turn >.<. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1804415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 try ragnar justicare with relic and wh wit inquisitorial mandate. ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1804466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pufnstuf Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 try ragnar justicare with relic and wh wit inquisitorial mandate. ! ... did you not read the post above yours??? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1804521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Wolf Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 What's this?? Brothers of the Fang even entertaining the idea of the Inquisition polluting the pack?? I shall tell the brew lord of this!! No ale for you! Ragnar will meet the foes of the emperor alongside the Son's of Russ!! (but it's your army i suppose). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1804555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightrunner Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 If you use true grit (only Grey Knights get it with Stormbolters) you get no bonus attacks for charging, so take the 2 for ragnar's berzerk charge and after that use the two CCW rule for the 1 bonus. So they still get the +2 from rag as I stated above, just not for having 2 ccw's because I chose not to... if you wanted 1 less attack then you MAY choose so... :tu: I have to say, I am all for helping us Wolves getting one up on our enemies, but I would definitely not accept that ruling on a table. Would you play it then, Wolf89, that if ragnar were with my GH pack, I could rapid fire them, not assault, pass my counter-assault test and get +2 attacks on the counter-charge as I am choosing that I "may" ignore true grit? At some point, I would have to look my opponent in the eye and say "Yeah, this isn't in the spirit of the rules, is it?" Kinda surprised with that answer popping up here in the fang, actually - or is that how everyone else plays it and I'm just being a spoil-sport????? NR :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1804583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Actually in the example you gave I would say it was in the spirit of the rules. After all theyve had a full turn of moving and shooting to make sure they could pull off that assault... if they choose to do so theyve also had a full turn to get out of the way instead. Either way... it works in my book. As for Grey Knights.... they really are one of the few imperial allies outside the gaurd that Im comfortable taking with space wolves. Really. The reason I dont do it on the table top is simply because I find that they are expensive, but die just as quickly as any other marine. I dont want to make my list an pricier than it is. For a mental exeircise though its not half bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1804615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venter_Of_Russ Posted December 12, 2008 Author Share Posted December 12, 2008 What's this?? Brothers of the Fang even entertaining the idea of the Inquisition polluting the pack?? I shall tell the brew lord of this!! No ale for you! Ragnar will meet the foes of the emperor alongside the Son's of Russ!! (but it's your army i suppose). Someone's forgetting their history... the old wolf himself led packs of the grey knights on Armageddon, to devastating effect. The grey knights are all right, it's the inquisitors who need to piss off... and the grey knights in question need to understand that they're in the retinue of a Son of Russ, not the other way around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1804807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Someone's forgetting their history... the old wolf himself led packs of the grey knights on Armageddon, to devastating effect. The grey knights are all right, it's the inquisitors who need to piss off... and the grey knights in question need to understand that they're in the retinue of a Son of Russ, not the other way around. The Old Wolf never led the GK on Armageddon. That had been Brother Captain Aurellian, blessed be his name. The Great Wolf only invited the GK to join the Fun on Armageddon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154640-ragnar-blackmane-grey-knight-terminators-and-you/#findComment-1804873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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