Space Wolves Lists and Tournaments

[fjgarces]

Hi Wolf Lords,

 

Some people that went to tournaments (both club and official GW ones) with SW lists weren't allowed to play with.

 

They argue that SW codex is obsolete and discontinued.

 

Is happening something similar in your countries?

 

We're very dissapointed with this GW attitude. No FAQs in Spanish (the English ones aren't official for us), no explanations, etc. Well, as ever :angry:

 

Regards

Javi

[Mantinel]

As a Space Wolf player, this doesn't surprise me. Our codex, combined with new Marine one is bad, some things are over the roof, half of others are so overpriced that are unplayable.

 

I don't enjoy playing with SW anymore, as people are whining about OP'd Storm Shields on HQ's and most of the time it's a neverending rules/faq bashing. That is why I play vanilla now.

 

Hope they release new codex as soon as possible...

[fjgarces]

But the point is: Do we have to wait one year or more to play with our wolves as wolves?

 

We've spent lots of money on it, and as customer of GW I'm getting dissilusioned.

 

Now, I'm playing Infinity. I have all the support of the company to play. A different view of the business.

[Ragnars Claw]

Wolves are about a year away. Scheduled for second half of next year.

[LPetersson]

Damn, that's really bad :-/

 

Do you know which other armies aren't allowed in Spain?

I can't remember if our codex is the oldest one out there...

 

Edit: Just checked and I think it is :-/

[G. A. K.]

I seem to remember that in fourth ed. you couldn't play as the nids in England, true? Its because they are viewed as to powerful. Well screw them!!! Blame GW not us. I imagine you can still use the dark eldar even though their codex is just as old and "out of print" I've seen our codex on the shelves at a few stores so I say <_< Pardon my vulgarity but as you say 'fjgarces' I've dropped a small fortune on this stuff and you cann't blame me for not having newer rules: Did I change how counter-attack works? No; Did I allow WGBL to take heavy weapons? No; Did we as a world wide group bitch and moan about a FAQ until they change it (synapse)? No.

I'm just glad Wisconsin is full of people who can think these decisions thru don't make snap judgements to apease the groups who happen to have new models which they are buying in greater quantities than us.

 

G

 

I know you dont have a high post count, but ill have to give you your first warning, no dodging the swear filter, as you can see in you post we have a nice smiley for this. Max_Dammit B&C mod team

[Wolf89]

This has been going on a lot lately, mainly in places where people are uneducated about Space Wolves (the TO's not the players themselves fjgarces ;) ) and it's quite disappointing... it's not hard to see that the codex itself TELLS US TO TAKE SM WARGEAR... it's right there in italics, literally. :)

 

Granted there are a few blurry spots, but you can always so, no we won't accept lists with that option (such as people taking chronus because they think this and that, over GW's thinking this and that? it's a mess, just don't take them then) and a few other glitches, but if the TO's are any good, they know how to work around them and provide their own set of rules that are agreed upon. Why do you think people aren't running around with titans all the time at tournaments? or armored company isn't allowed everywhere? etc. it's because the TO's say so...

[the jeske]

people dont run with titans because they are 2k up and most tournaments are/were 1850 or lower . an AC is illegal for tournament play since more then a year . Killed off just like 13th comp etc .

 

as SW goes . I do expect stuff like that to happen . Right now SW are getting the best of both worlds and some[am not saying all . I for example dont care about it] people see that as unfair . I mean even the UK GT dont let you guys use a hvy weapon WGBL , even if its totally legal to do .[not that it is a good option anyway ]. Does it suck for SW fans and players ? yeah . [specially if you cant travel Europe to attend other tournaments] Can people do something about it ? I dont think so . the number of the unhappy players [DA/normal sm] is greater then the number of SW . So it will stay that way till the new dex comes .

[Wolf89]

people dont run with titans because they are 2k up and most tournaments are/were 1850 or lower . an AC is illegal for tournament play since more then a year . Killed off just like 13th comp etc .

 

as SW goes . I do expect stuff like that to happen . Right now SW are getting the best of both worlds and some[am not saying all . I for example dont care about it] people see that as unfair . I mean even the UK GT dont let you guys use a hvy weapon WGBL , even if its totally legal to do .[not that it is a good option anyway ]. Does it suck for SW fans and players ? yeah . [specially if you cant travel Europe to attend other tournaments] Can people do something about it ? I dont think so . the number of the unhappy players [DA/normal sm] is greater then the number of SW . So it will stay that way till the new dex comes .

 

Were titans allowed at ard boyz?... 2500 points there... just saying in general, even when AC was legal it wasn't always allowed.

 

I agree that the whole WGBL can't have a heavy weapon thing was fair of the UK GT, that's what I mean... allow the tournaments to restrict certain things, but not getting rid of the whole army in general, that's just dumb.

[Vassakov]

Unfortunately if there is no offical Spanish FAQ and they don't allow the English version to be used then you haven't got a working army. That is GW's fault soley and they should address it - though you may be stuck waiting for a Codex at the end of next year.

 

As for banning us because we are too powerful - that's absolute rubbish. Are there plans to ban the Lash 'n' Son's and Monolists?

[Ullr Direfang]

i have heard of some RRT tournaments around that have based the SW players ability to use his list off of what other players in the tourny think. most of the time they are allowed, but a few times people didn't allow them (to my knowledge it was DE(dark eldar) players that didn't want them to play). our codex isn't the oldest, DE players have it by about 6 months IIRC. which is kin of funny that around here people are allowed to use them more, being that they are just as broken when all cheesed up. i don't have a hard time playing DE (just read my sig) but once they loss they say our Codex isn't fair..... what ever if they don't want to play with me there are always other people to play (or i just crush them with my IG, not as fast but i still crush them).

[Nightrunner]

I took Wolves to the UKGT heats. They are legal for the finals, who knows for next year?

 

NR :P

[the jeske]

Were titans allowed at ard boyz?... 2500 points there... just saying in general, even when AC was legal it wasn't always allowed.

were those that US tournaments , with different tiers ? thay had a lot of different rules then normal tournaments . for me I cant imagine 2500 pts games without special scenarios [and those always inbalance the game]. the fire power of an army at 2500 pts is rather big and there also comes the problem of time .how am I suppose to move 2.5k models , shot with them , and do hth in 10-15 min ? if there is going to be any problem , I would never end the turn and some people could use that [yes I am cynical like that].

allow the tournaments to restrict certain things, but not getting rid of the whole army in general, that's just dumb.

for the orgs it means max 10 sw unhappy [on a big tournament] and more then 10 non-sw players happy [good list gone , more chance to win . some people see at as unfair etc].

If a tournament is a long standing , the orgs are going to care about the biggest groups first [like sm players ] . If they lose a few sw the income isnt much smaller [and by GW mind set everyone has an ultramarines army too <_< even if one doesnt see many of them] , while losing even every 10th sm player would be a lot of people .