IronStorm Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Well I'm not sure if this has been discussed but I tried searching and coudn't find anything so here it goes. Since true grit has been removed as a universal rule Space Wolves now get our version of true grit which states we can grip combi-bolters. This is great. Mostly because now you can give terminator armored Wolf Guard a cheap combi bolter and power sword to have a nasty combination. My thought on set up for the retinue (someone else can bring up the HQs) was 5 wolf guard all in terminator armor, two packing either assault cannon or heavy flamer (depending on deployment method) with either power fist or chain fist since they can't get the extra attack, and the other three using Combi with power sword. Seems to have a reasonable price and of course you can throw on all the goodies like wolf pelts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154786-good-ol-true-grit/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I would go with 2x Assault Cannon, 2x Combi Plasma and a Combi Melta on the HQ personally. You've gotta love 2+ Melta shots. Your right, our true grit is now most excellent and combi bolters are indeed better for SW now thanks to relentless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154786-good-ol-true-grit/#findComment-1805853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Devil Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 True Grit completely sucks for Grey Hunters with Powerfists and bolters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154786-good-ol-true-grit/#findComment-1805929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battle-Brother Wags Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 True Grit completely sucks for Grey Hunters with Powerfists and bolters. That statement is actually a little misleading. It's not True Grit's fault that the power fist rules changed. Its not like ignoring True Grit and utilizing a bolt pistol is going to give you any more benefit. So I still go with the bolter for the longer range and rapid firing possibilities. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154786-good-ol-true-grit/#findComment-1805982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronStorm Posted December 13, 2008 Author Share Posted December 13, 2008 What I'm thinking of doing is taking the power fists off my Hunters and instead putting in a wolf guard with a power fist, probably in terminator armor but we'll see. Yes, the power fist change sucks but switch to power weapons or something else. We can't help a basic rules change, use what you can. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154786-good-ol-true-grit/#findComment-1806014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 You know.. for some reason, I never considered giving my AC Wolf Guards power fists, and the PW WG combi-weapons. Huh... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154786-good-ol-true-grit/#findComment-1806079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 dont bother with power fists...chain fists are only 5pts more and give you the same strength bonus as PF, but also 2d6 for armor pen... wolf lord kieran Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154786-good-ol-true-grit/#findComment-1806106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Devil Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 True Grit completely sucks for Grey Hunters with Powerfists and bolters. That statement is actually a little misleading. It's not True Grit's fault that the power fist rules changed. Its not like ignoring True Grit and utilizing a bolt pistol is going to give you any more benefit. So I still go with the bolter for the longer range and rapid firing possibilities. A bolt pistol at give you the bonus attack for charging. I don't use combi-weapons because they are extremely over-priced in the SW codex. True Grit is a liability in 5th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154786-good-ol-true-grit/#findComment-1806197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 True Grit completely sucks for Grey Hunters with Powerfists and bolters. That statement is actually a little misleading. It's not True Grit's fault that the power fist rules changed. Its not like ignoring True Grit and utilizing a bolt pistol is going to give you any more benefit. So I still go with the bolter for the longer range and rapid firing possibilities. A bolt pistol at give you the bonus attack for charging. I don't use combi-weapons because they are extremely over-priced in the SW codex. True Grit is a liability in 5th. Thats just crazy talk. You dont HAVE to use the Bolter as a CCW. Its an option that True Grit gives you. For example, I arm my Power Fist with a Bolter for the firepower. If he were to use the bolter as a CCW, he would get no charge bonus. I decline to do so (I would get no bonus anyway), and if I pass the leadership test, he gets +1 for the counter-attack. Combi-weapons overpriced? Compared to what? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154786-good-ol-true-grit/#findComment-1806210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Either way he model gets an extra attack by using the Bolter with True Grit he gets the +1 for 2 CCWs or if he doesn't use True Grit he gets the charge +1 but no bonus for 2 CCWs. To be honest I would rather have the 2 CCW bonus as it is applied during the Assault and/or the Counter-Attack whereas the charge bonus is only there for sure during the Assault and you MAY get it during the Counter-Attack. Or have I got this wrong, as usual? *EDIT* Ah, I got it...I thought it was a general question of wether to use True Grit or not =P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154786-good-ol-true-grit/#findComment-1806397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Either way he model gets an extra attack by using the Bolter with True Grit he gets the +1 for 2 CCWs or if he doesn't use True Grit he gets the charge +1 but no bonus for 2 CCWs. To be honest I would rather have the 2 CCW bonus as it is applied during the Assault and/or the Counter-Attack whereas the charge bonus is only there for sure during the Assault and you MAY get it during the Counter-Attack. Or have I got this wrong, as usual? They were talking about with a powerfist, so you'd want the +1 from attack, as you'd get none from 2CCW's ;) Also combi weapons are far from overpriced, considering the amount of carnage 2-3 combi-plas/melta/flamers do on the drop next to 2 assault cannons... it doesn't matter who/what you are... you're bending over. :RTBBB: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154786-good-ol-true-grit/#findComment-1806434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Devil Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 True Grit completely sucks for Grey Hunters with Powerfists and bolters. That statement is actually a little misleading. It's not True Grit's fault that the power fist rules changed. Its not like ignoring True Grit and utilizing a bolt pistol is going to give you any more benefit. So I still go with the bolter for the longer range and rapid firing possibilities. A bolt pistol at give you the bonus attack for charging. I don't use combi-weapons because they are extremely over-priced in the SW codex. True Grit is a liability in 5th. Thats just crazy talk. You don't HAVE to use the Bolter as a CCW. Its an option that True Grit gives you. For example, I arm my Power Fist with a Bolter for the firepower. If he were to use the bolter as a CCW, he would get no charge bonus. I decline to do so (I would get no bonus anyway), and if I pass the leadership test, he gets +1 for the counter-attack. Combi-weapons overpriced? Compared to what? D'oh! I never noticed the "May" in that sentence. Thank you for pointing that out. Combi-weapons are over-priced. The main issue is the single shot. Compare the plasma pistol and combi-plas; both cost the same. The pistol can fire every turn and the combi-plas can't. One turn the C-P can rapidfire or has better range, if you hit at all. The Pistol can give you more attacks in cc (2 ccws & charge) and a missed shot isn't as bad. Both can "get hot" and kill you. The pistol is a better buy. The best of the three is the combi-flamer, but it is still over-priced compared to a flamer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154786-good-ol-true-grit/#findComment-1806969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronStorm Posted December 14, 2008 Author Share Posted December 14, 2008 The main reason being able to take combi weapons and true grit them is that you can't take a pistol in terminator armor. A combi plasma isn't too bad of an investment if you're drop podding because you'll probably only shoot twice at most. So for power weapon wielding Wolf Guard it is a pretty good option. You will not shoot that much with wolf guard or if you do you're wasting points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154786-good-ol-true-grit/#findComment-1807020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Yup, as iron storm said, combi weapons are great for termies and treat for models who are wasting an assault turn and have to maximize shooting. (Combi plasmas specifically) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154786-good-ol-true-grit/#findComment-1807100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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