Thantoes Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Now this is likely a stupid question but when exactly do you move the models from a landraider when you assault from it? At the local GW where I normally play it has always been that you come out of the LR in the assault phase. However I went to a new store and the people there were quite certain that your units come out at the end of the movement phase. Looking at the BRB it does seem that would be right as you disembark units during the movement phase, however the fact that the LR is an Assault vehicle, has assault Frag launchers and an assault ramp seems to suggest that you come out when you assault. Also it just seems odd that your troops would storm out of the vehicle, wait around for people to shoot and only then amble over to the enemy to say hello :D It wouldnt seem to make much difference really when you did it but I would be interested to know what you folks out there think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154902-when-do-you-assault-from-a-land-raider/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Normally, if a transport vehicle has already moved that turn, a unit disembarking from it may not move any further and may not make an assault move. See page 67 in the BRB. An exception to that are transport vehicles that are open topped. Units disembarking from an open topped transport vehicle can still assault, even if teh vehicle has moved. See page 70 in the BRB. The Land Raider with it's assault ramps is another exception. Units disembarking from a Land Raider that has moved that turn can still launch assaults. That's it. The unit does not assault from inside the Land Raider. It is allowed to perform assaults after having disembarked from it. Also it just seems odd that your troops would storm out of the vehicle, wait around for people to shoot and only then amble over to the enemy to say hello That's how all assaults work, so... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154902-when-do-you-assault-from-a-land-raider/#findComment-1807446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thantoes Posted December 14, 2008 Author Share Posted December 14, 2008 Normally, if a transport vehicle has already moved that turn, Fair enough but it doesnt talk about phases, only turns. So the origional question still stands. Do you disembark at the end of the movement phase, do nothing through the shooting phase and then assault or do you wait till the beginning of the assault phase, disembark and then assault. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154902-when-do-you-assault-from-a-land-raider/#findComment-1807514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frogstaff Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 You can't disembark in the assault phase. That should make the answer pretty clear. More so if you read the 'assault vehicle' rule in the Land Raider entry in the codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154902-when-do-you-assault-from-a-land-raider/#findComment-1807524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Embarking/disembarking only happens in the movement phase. unless it is forced by blowing up the vehicle, which usually happens in the enemies shooting phase or close combat phase. Could happen in your own shooting phase due to a bad blast or ordnance scatter roll... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154902-when-do-you-assault-from-a-land-raider/#findComment-1807539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thantoes Posted December 14, 2008 Author Share Posted December 14, 2008 You can't disembark in the assault phase. That should make the answer pretty clear. More so if you read the 'assault vehicle' rule in the Land Raider entry in the codex. Actually the entry again speaks to "turn" not phase. But anyways this is all good news since my shooty termies will now be able to shoot as well as assault after the 12' move. Good times since I havent been doing that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154902-when-do-you-assault-from-a-land-raider/#findComment-1807624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapter master 454 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 well i would jump out with storm bolters, say hello at range first with a couple of bolter shells then shake hands with them with power fists. and generally speaking, the movement phase is called that for a reason and the assault phase for a reason. if yours gonna charge your gonna need to be out of a cramped tank (brother, stop stepping on my toes!) and know where your enemy is. after all i think i would also prefer shooting a squad first than charging since it can help save me a couple of turns of left hooks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154902-when-do-you-assault-from-a-land-raider/#findComment-1807711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarpSpawn Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Actually the entry again speaks to "turn" not phase. Yes, they are allowed to assault in the turn that they disembark, disembarking being an action that takes place in the movement phase. The assault is on the condition that they have disembarked, so no disembark, no assault. Nothing about the assault vehicle rules override this requirement. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154902-when-do-you-assault-from-a-land-raider/#findComment-1807754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thantoes Posted December 14, 2008 Author Share Posted December 14, 2008 if yours gonna charge your gonna need to be out of a cramped tank (brother, stop stepping on my toes!) and know where your enemy is. after all i think i would also prefer shooting a squad first than charging since it can help save me a couple of turns of left hooks! I dont know why but I always imagined units coming out of a LR as sort of being like soldiers out of a landing craft. The ramp drops down and everyone charges out. No time for shooting etc. But really looking at the rules I see the benefit of the way that its done. As you say, you do get in a round of shooting so its all good fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154902-when-do-you-assault-from-a-land-raider/#findComment-1807764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniclurker Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 How would rhino rushes work otherwise? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154902-when-do-you-assault-from-a-land-raider/#findComment-1807795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 You can't disembark in the assault phase. That should make the answer pretty clear. More so if you read the 'assault vehicle' rule in the Land Raider entry in the codex. Actually the entry again speaks to "turn" not phase. But anyways this is all good news since my shooty termies will now be able to shoot as well as assault after the 12' move. Good times since I havent been doing that. Your land raiders can move 12 feet? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154902-when-do-you-assault-from-a-land-raider/#findComment-1807861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frogstaff Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 How would rhino rushes work otherwise? They haven't, at least, not since 3rd ed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/154902-when-do-you-assault-from-a-land-raider/#findComment-1808112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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