Angelus Mortis

[chapter master 454]

-_- True to form I make bonker ideas and they get shot down...need to consider something to help this.

 

Ok so first off this is just basic chassis working here, th questions are so general they are like transparent tracing glass. Not meant to have much. Ok I'm trying to bring in cool swords but so far everyone is having zombie/vampire new idea syndrome (so far I know of 3 shows with vampires immune to sunlight. Zombies also got caled foul whe they started to run, so try and remember I want to try and bring new things). Ok those 'daemon swords' are actually when many bleach fans would call zanpakuto, now when we get into detail here zanpakuto (notice no plural, japanese have none so bare with it. I ain't pulling no engrish) are just the personal soul in a sence, reflecting their ideas and such like that. Now a daemon sword is a blade that got some daemon shoved into it so the difference is rather big here so get out my darn back for putting in some blooming anime, at least this is better than the space commies (yes, I see you pitiful mechas). Right now onto other points.

 

Come on, ok it's cliche but it's the only thing that gets the story rolling and to be honest how many inquistors out there who roll with a more flexible ruling these days, not like I'm the first so live with it. (sorry for being snippy but this is getting annoying when I'm shot up for something someone should of been shot up before). Ok the whole portents thing is deus ex machina and stuff and my chapter has more holes than a shiv that was used as target practice for a SAW. I love all the chapters I see and I love making stories however I do always have the fears you guys keep pointing out with neon signs for everyone to see (however can't blame yous for it. I'm one screw loose of a screw set). How else will I make a story filled chapter any good or unique, I can't use any ideas given because I feel thats stealing and thus I will mod it so I don't feel like I'm stealing the idea and thus make it bad. I want a chaos troubled chapter master with a curse that affects his entire chapter however so far I can't get it right...Why can't I get anything to sound good and read well :)

 

Some advice on how I could do such a task and maybe some ideas but not to many. I don't want to feel like I'm just patching together things like some carpet theif, curse my inability to say anything is the correct manner...Someone who loves to write stories and draw however keeps failing to make anything enjoyable. Oh well just found 1000 ways it won't work, just need to keep going til I find th right way it'll work.

[Guest Mordray]

Zanpakuto huh... I'll admit I didn't and still haven't read your original chapter draft but based solely upon your 'revisement post' I had no idea that what you'd planned...

 

That said I'm not that concerned with it... those blades are little more then a prop right now... one that can be dealt with later.

 

First we need to craft your chapter's core essence...

 

What exactly is it you want from these marines?

[Tyrannicide]

Mordray is completely correct.

 

It seems you're intentionally bogging yourself down with the little 'cool' details, when we need more on your Chapter, and any themes or sources of inspiration that you intend to include in their article. A Chapter without a central theme is completely lost from the beginning. I've learnt the hard way too many times. :huh:

[chapter master 454]

Right central, core. Well the main basic stuff is they are a fleet based chapter, geneseed heralds from ultramarines however doesn't bring much of codex astartes with it, retreat is something they just don't do so very stubborn, patrol southern area of the imperium combatting orks and chaos mainly and have slightly more armour than usual.

 

Shiv out the core there, the main theme is never giving up. Unbreakable spirits. If this would class as main core element they have 4 recruiting worlds which double as supply stations. They hate people who have no honour. I'm thinking on what to extract from this mess I made and trying to find the core elements. They were founded shortly after the age of apostasy, no organ/implant mutations of any kind. I think thats it, most of their core elements (maybe some secondary might of been dragged out allong with it but I'm sure they're core).

 

The chapter name is rather hard to make an excuse for and their chapter emblem is often called an eldar sign (had it before I even knew about the xenos and their cheese weapon brightlance. 454 guard, anything relating to that number or 13 (my signature number, hence why I use that or the name shigoshi in things), ok it's detail but the big one is the enblem, I can try and dig out an old pic of my emblem for yous to see.

 

Well I have say thanks for all the help thats been giving and being given. I'm greatful.

[Chaplain Mecurio]

Right central, core. Well the main basic stuff is they are a fleet based chapter, geneseed heralds from ultramarines however doesn't bring much of codex astartes with it, retreat is something they just don't do so very stubborn, patrol southern area of the imperium combatting orks and chaos mainly and have slightly more armour than usual.

 

Perhaps Imperial Fist would be a better choice here. They are known to be stubborn to a fault.

[GhostLegion]

Just a quick hit here on your daemon sword idea. Zanpakto or no, the daemon sword concept has existed in 40k for a long time now. Daemon weapons have worked as power weapons, instant-death weapons, or similar to force weapons (ie requiring a psychic test, but possibly killing the user) over the years. I do not see a reference to such a weapon in your article so far (though I may be missing it), so if you plan to include something like this, you may want to review the wargear write up for daemon weapons. Once it is added, be prepared for people to relegate you directly to renegade status at a minimum...

 

Additionally, from what I read over I would say Chaplain Mecurio has a good idea for you, change the primogenator chapter to the Fists. It would seem to fit well with your chapter as written so far...

[chapter master 454]

geneseed changed. -a thousand moans are heard of pain as marines feel their geneseed change-

 

[rant] As doe zanpakutos I'm going to repeat myself til I drill this into the skulls of all! Zanpakuto are in all essence a part of the owners soul. The closest to daemons I would allow would be hollows, they're the ones jumping into 'deus ex machina stealth world'. The zanpakuto are by all means friendly to the owner (as long as one doesn't get a certain character to help you -cough- look at avatar -cough-) and thus not daemon. They also look like a normal katanna, however my chapter will have short swords and such (then again a marines short sword is a mans 2 handed!) to be this and will look nothing like something else until it transforms and even then most just look like exotic weaponry (EG Chapter master 454s zanpakuto is at first a katanna, when transformed it becomes a black relic blade, and if you call black an evil colour I would like to ask templar players to stand up with the black sword!) However the point I'd push it is bankai but thats another story until we get to it. [/rant]

 

geneseed is sorted, now imperial fist.

 

Now onto the 'fleet based with 4 recruiting worlds along with 4 grand companies'. I got a little bored and decided that instead of have plenty small ships I'd have 5 big ones but now thats scuttled I need to know what a fleet based chapter would have, I would like the 4 companies to be able to work effectively and be bordering small/medium fleet size for each (each company is worth about 2/3 since all tanks and such are kept to the company along with weaponry). If that needs changed tell and I shall see what to do about it. Onto the planets, 4 in total and they are all recruited from, supplied from and sometimes the marines hang out there when not kicking in chaos or xenos. Each company has it's own planet to recruit from (so in a sence indenpedant companies) and patrol their are of space that is nearest their recruiting world just in case of losses. I play on one being a borderline forge planet, people being very good with tech. The people are rather strong due to labour required to heft the machine parts about and all the reapirs they do so that seems feasable at least (we're not talking mega machines here, we're talking things like water pumps and other things that aren't too complex). This would be the chapters supply of techmarines. The company of that planet may also have a higher amount of techmarines than the other companies too. The others would be your cliche feral worlds that marines just love to recruit off of. Maybe ones a deathworld or whatever.

 

Well, geneseeds sorted. I again thank yous for aid in helping me create my chapter.

 

Edit: Fixed my marines having short shorts. Maybe when we visit the salamanders for some heat after we've frozen our power armoured rears at the space wolves getting drunk in unheated pubs!

[Gree]

[rant] As doe zanpakutos I'm going to repeat myself til I drill this into the skulls of all! Zanpakuto are in all essence a part of the owners soul. The closest to daemons I would allow would be hollows, they're the ones jumping into 'deus ex machina stealth world'. The zanpakuto are by all means friendly to the owner (as long as one doesn't get a certain character to help you -cough- look at avatar -cough-) and thus not daemon.

 

I don't think Bleach exists in warhammer.

 

And the zanpaktou does not fully help or cooperate with thier owner. That's why most Shinigami never reach shikai, let alone bankai. Nor do they alway reflect thier owner. Zangetsu's true form looked nothing like Ichigo, instead it was a middle-aged man who was quite distant and put Ichigo through hell before he got bankai. Ikkaku's zanpaktou is lazy, different form it's owner.

 

Not to mention there is some implication that zanpaktou spirits are passed down. Like Hitsugaya's zanpaktou, which Sojiro also had.

 

Plus there are evil zanpaktou. Mayuri's would definatly qualify as a daemon, so do the arrancar zanpaktou.

 

however my chapter will have short shorts and such

 

Short shorts? B)

 

So does your chapter fight in hot areas? Or get's hot easily? Or are they just gay? I can't take short shorts on a marine seriously. :ph34r:

[ChaplainMathreyn]

And the zanpaktou does not fully help or cooperate with thier owner. That's why most Shinigami never reach shikai, let alone bankai. Nor do they alway reflect thier owner. Zangetsu's true form looked nothing like Ichigo, instead it was a middle-aged man who was quite distant and put Ichigo through hell before he got bankai. Ikkaku's zanpaktou is lazy, different form it's owner.

 

Not to mention there is some implication that zanpaktou spirits are passed down. Like Hitsugaya's zanpaktou, which Sojiro also had.

 

Plus there are evil zanpaktou. Mayuri's would definatly qualify as a daemon, so do the arrancar zanpaktou.

 

I think blood just about shot out my nose at trying to read this... I've heard of Bleach... But I use it to get stains out of my shirt, not read books on it...? :)

 

Especially old Emperor-class Titans have been known to have imprints of earlier Princeps within their machine spirit; This can sometimes lead to almost a "personality" develop within extremely old Titans as these various imprints can effect the current Princep, sometimes so much so, that the Princep cannot be removed from the link to the machine spirit lest he die.

 

I THINK this is what you have in mind with the swords but, barring daemonic control, you'd need:

 

A. Very, very, millenia old, swords. B. Have a physical mind-link between the operator and the sword. C. Have a very Powerful machine spirit within the sword (Emperor Titan spirit versus power sword spirit...)

[Chaplain Mecurio]

Hey! Someone around here keeps getting anime in my grimdark, and I had enough of that with the Tau. ;) Anyway, I believe a Strike Crusier is large enough to transport a codex sized company. You can extrapilate from there.

[Gree]

And the zanpaktou does not fully help or cooperate with thier owner. That's why most Shinigami never reach shikai, let alone bankai. Nor do they alway reflect thier owner. Zangetsu's true form looked nothing like Ichigo, instead it was a middle-aged man who was quite distant and put Ichigo through hell before he got bankai. Ikkaku's zanpaktou is lazy, different form it's owner.

 

Not to mention there is some implication that zanpaktou spirits are passed down. Like Hitsugaya's zanpaktou, which Sojiro also had.

 

Plus there are evil zanpaktou. Mayuri's would definatly qualify as a daemon, so do the arrancar zanpaktou.

 

I think blood just about shot out my nose at trying to read this... I've heard of Bleach... But I use it to get stains out of my shirt, not read books on it...? ;)

 

Especially old Emperor-class Titans have been known to have imprints of earlier Princeps within their machine spirit; This can sometimes lead to almost a "personality" develop within extremely old Titans as these various imprints can effect the current Princep, sometimes so much so, that the Princep cannot be removed from the link to the machine spirit lest he die.

 

I THINK this is what you have in mind with the swords but, barring daemonic control, you'd need:

 

A. Very, very, millenia old, swords. B. Have a physical mind-link between the operator and the sword. C. Have a very Powerful machine spirit within the sword (Emperor Titan spirit versus power sword spirit...)

 

I'm not doing the chapter. chapter master 454 is. Not me.

[chapter master 454]

Ok zanpakutos don't always reflect the person, however I will like to state zangetsu is now a pychopathic mirror image of ichigo trying to do a joker cosplay. Also Yes that old worn joke of 'bleach' is somewhat hard to get over, several fan arts have bottles of bleach dressed in komonos weilding swords.

 

Now I like this man who mentioned this 'imprint' idea. The problem is they transform, so maybe have to have some form of mutation then in one of the brain implants. Creates minor level pykers and they have a special ritual that binds them to their sword and hey presto, make shift zanpakuto. Too far fetched and waiting for inquistion or reasonable?

 

As for the strike cruiser please remember I'm having 4 grand companies that equal at least 2/3 companies from a codex chapter. So maybe the upsized ships might return who knows, just have to nerf them like 5th nerfed necrons.

 

P.S. I was about to post a huge chuck of off topic anime fanboyism into your face. feel lucky I stopped myself!

[ChaplainMathreyn]

I know Gree... It WAS directed at chapter master 454.

 

It was more of a highlight that although some people may know what is going on, you're going to get quite a few very confused people as to what a zanpakuto is... Like me. It's nice that a clutch of Bleach fans go 'Ah-hah! That's cool', but I have no idea how/why this relates to a particular anime...?

 

Now I like this man who mentioned this 'imprint' idea. The problem is they transform, so maybe have to have some form of mutation then in one of the brain implants. Creates minor level pykers and they have a special ritual that binds them to their sword and hey presto, make shift zanpakuto.

 

See... I think THAT formula sounds like Chaos mutation/daemonic infection. If you wanted, say, fully sentient, fully transformational weaponry, it'd probably be one infested by a daemon of Tzeentch.

 

In a Titan's term, and even some STC vehicles (ala the Land Raider), they are a very primitive form of AI; They will assist the crew/operator, but are very, for lack of a better term, stupid...

 

Other than that, the "machine spirit" for weapons and the like is more than not a wacky semi-religious thing perpetuated by the Mechanicus, who do not entirely know how everything must work, therefore, pray and try to appease it (Like when you beg your car engine to start, or something), and more than likely, your standard bolter, lasgun, or power weapon doesn't have the kind of "Stupid AI" that some of the vehicles do.

 

BUT, I could see, in a not literal sense, of a Marine chapter worshipping their weapons, who have obtained bits and pieces of their previous owner's "souls" (Ala, Hawaiian history in which weapons were passed down from generation to generation, with the mana of the previous owner's energy being passed on to the new owner).

 

I could also see very powerful Librarians, possibly with weaponry given to them that was once held by another powrful Librarian, picking up on bits and pieces of the weapon's former holder... But I doubt the weapon would have the autonomy that you're speaking about.

[Telveryon]

[rant] As doe zanpakutos I'm going to repeat myself til I drill this into the skulls of all! Zanpakuto are in all essence a part of the owners soul. The closest to daemons I would allow would be hollows, they're the ones jumping into 'deus ex machina stealth world'. The zanpakuto are by all means friendly to the owner (as long as one doesn't get a certain character to help you -cough- look at avatar -cough-) and thus not daemon. They also look like a normal katanna, however my chapter will have short swords and such (then again a marines short sword is a mans 2 handed!) to be this and will look nothing like something else until it transforms and even then most just look like exotic weaponry (EG Chapter master 454s zanpakuto is at first a katanna, when transformed it becomes a black relic blade, and if you call black an evil colour I would like to ask templar players to stand up with the black sword!) However the point I'd push it is bankai but thats another story until we get to it. [/rant]

This is a text book example of over-themeing. The problem is that you are trying to mash together (in a not very elegant manner) two totally different universes. What you should be doing is to get the underlying concepts, add some grimdark to them and then apply them to the WH40k universe. The main problem with anime sources of inspiration is that the underlying concepts, in 75% of the cases boils down to "guy with truck size sword kick everyone's rear end", in the other 25% boils down to "guy in huge robot kicks everyone's rear end", neither of which mash to well with the WH40k universe. You're taking things to ad litteram, swords with the souls of humans bound to them are beyond the technology of the Imperium to achieve (Warhammer 40k is not D&D after all). However, ChaplainMathreyn idea is very workable and has quite a bit of potential, my personal opinion is that it would work better then the current idea.

[Gree]

in the other 25% boils down to "guy in huge robot kicks everyone's rear end", neither of which mash to well with the WH40k universe.

 

Titans?

[Telveryon]

Warhammer 40k titans are full of grimdark and they don't kick rear ends, they blow them up!

[chapter master 454]

Warhammer 40k titans are full of grimdark and they don't kick rear ends, they blow them up!

 

-cough- gundam -cough- Don't think titans and mecha are different in anyway, both are big things piloted by men (In gundam seed normally by modified humans so none of this 'piloted by princeps' stuff ether, gundam done that and all!) and both have big guns that make thing they are aimed at go boom.

 

Ok I'm trying to add in things thats fun here ok. I feel that if I get called out for this just because it's warp related I get jumped on, black dragons (or whoever they are called) had a mutation that made them grow baraka style bones, Salamanders turn jet black, space wolves have canine teeth and such and they are all MUTATIONS. Thats right, most chapters therefor have a relation to chaos, but do they get jumped on big time. No because it's explained, blood ravens (relics chapter, a decent chapter I think too) has an unusual number of pykers and if I remember their chapter master is one and yet do they get kicked in for it because of their organs doing this? no. Come on, I'm going to merge these zanpakuto into my chapter one way or another. If I have to make my chapter give fake geneseed tithes, give fake genetic scans and such then so be it. Not the first chapter to do it and what the inquistion doesn't know won't hurt them. /rant

 

Anyway, yes I'm being very stubborn about these zanpakuto. It's the only unique blooming trait my chapter has apparantly. My lightning hawks are getting called thunderhawk transporters, my chapter master has to be a run of the mill blooming hero and if I remove the zanpakuto then I have nothing left but some generic imperial fist knock off that wants to be black templars. All I want if something to make my chapter unique beyond bounds, my insanity requires it. I ain't rejecting help here all I'm saying is everyone rails against the last idea I have to make my chapter unique, I shall even make my chapter on the run if I need to. Make them still loyal to the emperor but not those idiot inquisitors, use our fleets forges to make our weapons from supplies we get from any warzone we go to.

 

Anyway, thats my feelings on this.

[Apothete]

-cough- gundam -cough- Don't think titans and mecha are different in anyway, both are big things piloted by men (In gundam seed normally by modified humans so none of this 'piloted by princeps' stuff ether, gundam done that and all!) and both have big guns that make thing they are aimed at go boom.

 

Look, we all know you're an anime fan and that you want to combine your passion for it with your writing here. That doesn't mean that baldly asserting things is the same as providing an actual counter example.

 

The Titans in Warhammer 40k are enormous god-machines which take a ridiculous amount of resources to manufacture, transport, and field. Even when they make it to a battlefield, they're only controllable because of the immense willpower brought to bear by the princeps and his support crew. Each Titan is inhabited by a mind-destroyingly powerful machine spirit that wrestles for control and could eradicate lesser men, requiring the sorts of specialized selection and training processes that normally go into things like the selection of Sanctioned Psykers, the Astartes, or other elite organizations within the Imperium.

 

If all that you want to pay attention to is the fact that they have very big guns, then that's okay. Just please don't clutter up this forum by insisting that the fluff isn't important when you're not even bothering to provide anything in this universe to back up your claims.

 

Ok I'm trying to add in things thats fun here ok.

 

The things that you consider "fun" are apparently highly at odds with the established fluff of Warhammer, which means that people like me are going to have problems with helping you. The Liber Astartes board is intended for you to find help with your writing, but the majority of the serious commentators and repeat contributors are going to be fans of the official version of things. We're not really known for our love of breaking canon or twisting things so far that they're no longer recognizable as belonging in the same plane of existence as what's come before.

 

That doesn't mean new material can't be created or that you can't do whatever you'd like with your own models. It does mean that you might want to find somewhere that people are more in line with what you enjoy if you want to be congratulated on your ideas for blending anime tropes with a largely incompatible body of fiction.

 

Come on, I'm going to merge these zanpakuto into my chapter one way or another. If I have to make my chapter give fake geneseed tithes, give fake genetic scans and such then so be it. Not the first chapter to do it and what the inquistion doesn't know won't hurt them. /rant

 

Then you can count me out of the discussion, and likely many others who would otherwise be willing to help.

 

Sometimes ideas just don't work with the established fluff. You're free to pursue whatever you'd like, but we don't have to assist you in doing it.

 

and if I remove the zanpakuto then I have nothing left but some generic imperial fist knock off that wants to be black templars. All I want if something to make my chapter unique beyond bounds, my insanity requires it.

 

Rather than clinging to that idea, why not sit down and figure out a good way to distinguish them from the rest that doesn't horribly break the themes and conventions of Warhammer? Someone else has already suggest a very workable concept that you've apparently rejected out of hand, but I suppose you could always read the Guide to DIYing and the supplement that the community recently wrote and use those as a starting point. They give wonderful advice on the sorts of questions you should be able to answer if you want your writeup to be believable and unique.

 

Also, as a bit of personal advice, tone down the whole "Wheee, I'm so craaaaaazy" act. It's not going to impress anyone and it makes you look a bit childish, especially when it comes to the kind of rant you just went on about not being able to have anything that distinguishes your Chapter from others. Instead of complaining about the criticism that you asked for, find a way to move forward or choose to keep your ideas and stop asking us to tell you whether or not they fit into the universe.

[ChaplainMathreyn]

black dragons (or whoever they are called) had a mutation that made them grow baraka style bones, Salamanders turn jet black, space wolves have canine teeth and such and they are all MUTATIONS

 

Oh, just ask the Inquisition or the Mechanicus geneseed collectors whether or not they approve of any of those, and they'll probably eye you with intense suspicion... But, then again, they ARE super human beings who fight horrors and nightmares that would make normal men wet themselves in terror, so these flaws are probably overlooked, too. And the Salamanders strange quirks come from the people of Nocturne, I believe, not their geneseed.

 

Come on, I'm going to merge these zanpakuto into my chapter one way or another. If I have to make my chapter give fake geneseed tithes, give fake genetic scans and such then so be it. Not the first chapter to do it and what the inquistion doesn't know won't hurt them.

 

The only possible way, I can see, that you could introduce these zanp whatevers in the style that I think you're intending is if they have Chaos infection or a daemon host within them.The Relictors tried using Chaos weaponry to fight Chaos and they kinda got all obliterated and such by the Inquisition. I think there is a difference between geneseed flaws (ie the Black Dragons bone arms, or the Wulfen curse, or the Black Rage/Red Thirst) and Chaos induced mutations (ie Spawn, the Obliterators... Daemon Princes, etc)

 

my chapter master has to be a run of the mill blooming hero and if I remove the zanpakuto then I have nothing left but some generic imperial fist knock off that wants to be black templars.

 

There are hundreds of things you could do revolving around a weapon worship cult. Albeit, you wouldn't have soulbound, daemon-changing weird things in your arsenal, but a Chapter might take great pains to honoring the "souls" of their weapons, passing them down to their geneseed recipients, their weapons might be scrawled with the wielder's deeds across the battlefields, etc, etc. Just have a weaponcentric cult Chapter...?

 

Make them still loyal to the emperor but not those idiot inquisitors

 

Thats dangerous... The Inquisition are the eyes, ears and in some cases, the judgement of the Emperor.... Thumb your nose at them, and you'll probably lose your thumb, nose... And the rest of you in a gout of fire...

[chapter master 454]

...-long pause-

 

Ok, so I need a new idea for my chapter. Currently I can't add in anime to this in any form new plan of attack has been drawn.

 

Weapon worship cult, really stubborn men and maybe through in some random fluff for good measure and I should get something. (oh and relictors are to my knowledge on a crusade of redemption and it was an inquistor who suggested they use daemon weaponry in the first place).

 

So far, I have imperial fist geneseed. My 4 grand cruisers plus another one for a forgeship (upgraded versions of strike crusiers so I hope thats at least ok). 4 recruiting worlds are still absent (I'm assuming the 2 feral, one deathworld and one forgeworld with rather young labourers is ok) however my weapons need something special. Can't be cliche 'don't lose your weapon or you go on standard repentance trail'. What about this, borrow from the eldar by making the marines practice in one area of combat (ranged or melee) until they have a mastery of it, it would make honour guard quite fluffy (those who mastered both) and sternguard and vanguard are the guys who are masters of that art (ranged and CC respectively). Maybe have it so each must also master tactical skills with both as well (best use of their squad) for a sarge to become a honour guard as well (so basicly they must master both ranged and close combat arts along with tactical arts of both as well before being an honourguard which could also lead to being a captain). Command squads being masters of both range and assault but have a mix of men who have range and assault tactical mastery. As for champions in honourguard, the most talented individual (voted by his fellow peers) becomes the champion and he is the next in line to fill in for a captain (or a vice-captain, I'm having a different command structure).

 

hope that idea flys better than zanpakuto.

 

As for command structure would having a captain and vice-captain work? that would total 9 leaders (CM, 4 captains and 4 vice captains), vice captain being an advisor and aid for the captain in wars (4 captains is too low, so the vice-captains allow for more detactments to well organised). The librarians and techmarines are another thing, they aren't seperate branchs. The MotF (or in this case I call forgemaster and he has a deput too, a forge apprentice) has the warforge (the 5th grand cruiser) which is guarded solely by gun servitors and advance defence networks onboard which the forgemaster can use to repel attackers. Only say about a quarter of the chapters techmarines are on the warforge (as all the other companies have tank designated to them so need someone to maintain them). Librarians are also chapter designated along with chaplins, in total the commanding officers are a captain, vice-captain, librarian, chaplin and a forgemarine (above techmarine skills, below forge apprentice skills and is responible for maintaining armour and weapons and getting the required stuff, for the company, from the warforge which remains in the center of where all the companies patrols with the cruisers overlap). The librarian in question in the command squad is often changed around for captains often ask alot of strain on a librarian so they take it in turns. The chapter master has no deput and instead has the chief librarian and master-chaplin in his command squad.

 

Also due to the chapter already being rather dispersed (they all patrol around their recruiting world. well, very wide arc ofcourse but within a 6 month warp travel to it for saftey) the techmarines and librarians aren't cut off, instead wander around with their brothers exchanging words as if they were normal. The only isolated marines are the apprentice and forgemaster however regular shifts with marines (each company gives one scout squad and one tactical to aid in guarding the ship so I lyed, their is more than just brain dead servs there) keep them in touch with the chapter and maintain a unified chapter. Now is that also ok? I think it sounds rather reasonable however my meaning of reasonable is up for debate!

 

Ok 3 ideas for my chapter, the whole 'friendly with libbys and techs' has been something I always wanted but forgot to mention. Also hope the specialisation with weapons is ok along with the command structure and stuff. Oh and thanks for the help and bearing with me (hello? anyone there?).

[Captain of The Inceptors]

Hi there, I've been reading this thread for a while and haven't interjected until now.

 

I am an anime fan and I have watched around 70 episodes of Bleach so I know what your talking about with the coolness of Zanpukuto.

I don't think though that most anime stuff maps into the 40k universe without major modification and most other posters were pretty much correct in thinking that these swords will appear of be Daemon weapons in need of purging. In this respect I'm glad you've dropped it.

 

I think that your latest posted idea works well, I like the idea that the chapter is more 'in-touch' with the normally distant specialists. With regards to the greater inclusion of the forgeship, maybe mastercrafted weapons might be more prevelant.

 

With the marines working there way up through the ranks (say assault -> vangaurd) I think this already has a similar prescident in the codex, The Tactical squad entry in the 'Forces of the Space Marines' section says that to enter into the tactical squads marines must prove themselves in both assault and devestator squads. If they show talent or obsession in either of those other squads they may not move into the tactical squad as they are a liability disrupting the balance. Maybe that is an intresting point to work from - your marines are stubborn already maybe they are resistant to change (just like the rest of the imperium!) and dont want to be moved into new units.

 

normally the ranks go as follows

Scout -> Devestators -> Assault -> Tactical -> Veteran (Vets can choose their own equipment and my extension to be vanguard or Sternguard.)

 

However I think that your ranks could go as follows

Scout with Bolter -> Tactical

Scout with CC -> Assault -> Vangaurd

Scout Sniper -> Devestator -> Sternguard

 

Maybe also that the different recriutment worlds produce different specialities, there path through the ranks maybe chosen by there homeplanet.

CC from Feral Worlds/Shooting from forgeworld where forges war between themselves from behind emplacments...etc...

 

I hope some of this helps give you more ideas.

 

Ps. please read my DIY chapter article, I need more comments and help with it and you seen to be very active on the forum.

the Inceptors

[chapter master 454]

Like to just keep this ball bouncing a little longer, so bump.

 

I've put up some fluff so some C&C on it please if any of you have time to kill or are just plain bored!

[Argon]

...-long pause-

 

Ok, so I need a new idea for my chapter. Currently I can't add in anime to this in any form new plan of attack has been drawn.

 

Weapon worship cult, really stubborn men and maybe through in some random fluff for good measure and I should get something. (oh and relictors are to my knowledge on a crusade of redemption and it was an inquistor who suggested they use daemon weaponry in the first place)......</longrantislong>

 

Ok, I wouldn't say you couldn't include any anime whatsoever. If you want anime in your IA, make it subtle. Don't rip things straight out of Bleach like the zanpakuto. Make it subtle. Perhaps name some of your battle-brothers after members of the Soul Society or model a power weapon that happens to look like a particular zanpakuto. That would be ok.

[Argon]

...-long pause-

 

Ok, so I need a new idea for my chapter. Currently I can't add in anime to this in any form new plan of attack has been drawn.

 

Weapon worship cult, really stubborn men and maybe through in some random fluff for good measure and I should get something. (oh and relictors are to my knowledge on a crusade of redemption and it was an inquistor who suggested they use daemon weaponry in the first place)......</longrantislong>

 

Ok, I wouldn't say you couldn't include any anime whatsoever. If you want anime in your IA, make it subtle. Don't rip things straight out of Bleach like the zanpakuto. Make it subtle. Perhaps name some of your battle-brothers after members of the Soul Society or model a power weapon that happens to look like a particular zanpakuto. That would be ok.

[ChaplainMathreyn]

Ok, I wouldn't say you couldn't include any anime whatsoever. If you want anime in your IA, make it subtle. Don't rip things straight out of Bleach like the zanpakuto. Make it subtle. Perhaps name some of your battle-brothers after members of the Soul Society or model a power weapon that happens to look like a particular zanpakuto. That would be ok.

 

That's a very good idea, by the way... I'd take this to heart and think about it, before you start writing anything more down, firstly.