Wulfen Gene Defect

[Bradskey]

I was reading the Space Wolf fluff and it says the there were no SW successors made because of the 'defect' in the gene seed. Why is this even considered a defect? The fact that the Wulfen curse doesn't allow marines to become tainted by chaos should be an asset, right? What does everyone think about this?

 

Thanks in advance for your thoughts :D

[The_Betrayed_Spacewolf]

it just means more marines for the space wolves. the problem is that for some reason only the space wolves have the know how to taking care of the defect in any large quantities.

[Max_Dammit]

I like to think it has to do with the initiation, maybe something in the blood of the elk they eat or the extreme cold that makes it stable.

[Fang head]

Did anyone notice in the new C:SM that on page 24 they write under the title of Aberants:

 

"Others, such as the Space Wolves and the Black Templars, remain stubbornly independent, looking only to their founder's ways of war and caring little of hou they fare in the eyes of others. These aberant Chapters were always fewer in number, and thier presence diminishes further with each passing decade, for their gene-seed is no longer the source of fresh Chapters." It then goes on to say that they're not really important and to go worship the Ultrasmurphs.

 

I'm sorry, we may not be producing the dime a dozen Chapters like the Ultrasmurphs, but we "were always few in number(?)"

 

This just goes to show that GW really does need to pay attention to their own fluff :D

 

Fang

 

No dodging the swear filter, your low on posts so ill give you a normal warning this time, Max_Dammit, B&C mod

[Vassakov]

I think you've misunderstood the phrasing there:

 

"These aberant chapters were always few in number..." I would take to mean that the number of chapters as a % of the ~1000 chapters has always been low, and as a result of not having 2nd + Foundings, they decrease as the number of Ultrasmurf offspring increases. I don't think it has any reference to the number of Marines in the chapter.

 

 

Back to the point - yes, anti Chaos gubbinz is always good. But how many non Fenrisians would see a Wulfen and think "Oh, its a failed aspirant."?

How many would think - "Mutant! Chaos spawn! Monster! Burn the planet!" Remember, we are already of the edge of excommunicate traitorious simply for our beliefs and our customs, despite our loyalty to the All Father. The Wulfen could be the final straw.

[Bradskey]

How many would think - "Mutant! Chaos spawn! Monster! Burn the planet!"

 

Black Templars, Smurfs, other psycho chapters :D

 

Wolves are the only chapter that use their defect to advantage

[hendrik]

also from a tactical point of view an all wulfen army would be not that good i figure,noone would understand the orders,noone would handle heavy support etc...

[Bradskey]

also from a tactical point of view an all wulfen army would be not that good i figure,noone would understand the orders,noone would handle heavy support etc...

 

Tyranids don't get orders :D but they still can devour worlds. Yes tyranids get some orders through psychic messages but wulfen troops can understand more and can still follow orders.

[Imperialis_Dominatus]

Wolves are the only chapter that use their defect to advantage :D

 

*cough*DEATHCOMPANY*cough*

[Bradskey]

Wolves are the only chapter that use their defect to advantage :D

 

*cough*DEATHCOMPANY*cough*

 

Oh yea :tu:

I'm not B.A savvy

[hendrik]

also from a tactical point of view an all wulfen army would be not that good i figure,noone would understand the orders,noone would handle heavy support etc...

 

Tyranids don't get orders ^_^ but they still can devour worlds. Yes tyranids get some orders through psychic messages but wulfen troops can understand more and can still follow orders.

with the nids i always figure they can just win because they are with so many,a wulfen company however would lack the numbers to make up for the loss of heavy support

imagine a nid hive army walking through a lascannon-tarantulla-protected terrain (if that's a word=/), the nids will still be with enough numbers to deal out some serious damage while the wulfen would suffer horrific losses from the lascannons before they would even get close with the enemy

also a lot off tactical setups would be impossible, you would be unable to make a mechanized or droppodding army and these are some of the tactics space marines excell at

[Beef]

to control Wulfen you need a certain level of experiance and presence, hence Wolf priests. So having to many would not be that effective as a wolf gaurd could not really control a squad.

[The_Betrayed_Spacewolf]

oye veh. ladies and wolfs you just so happen to be talking about the mysterious 13th company. they are masaters of the stealth war.

[Oor_Mate_vlad]

oye veh. ladies and wolfs you just so happen to be talking about the mysterious 13th company. they are masaters of the stealth war.

*cough*AlphaLegion*cough*

[Grey Mage]

Alpha company dont count, as they arent loyalists. Alpha company are of course that brother/cousin/uncle of yours who always knows how to sweettalk the family into what he needs and somehow seem to have a butterfly knife on him at all times.

 

Back to Wulfen. The reason its considered a disadvantage is that it takes a valuable resource *A space marine* and turns him into a very large arcoflaggellant with an inbuilt temper.

 

Do we look after and care for our fallen brethren? Of course. Can they be useful on the field of battle, especially if they are properly controlled by a wolf priest? Yes.

 

Does that mean a chapter full of them could even make it through the warp to a new fight without possibly eating every chapter surf on board and fighting until their numbers were halved and then fail to enter their drop pods? Yeah.... theyd probly fail, miserably.

[Beef]

Thats TrueGrey Mage, What would happen if they were aboard a ship waiting for battle? You would need to shackles them all to stop them in fighting, kinda like Orks in fantasy

[The_Betrayed_Spacewolf]

or you have a rune priest use the gate ability and get them where they need to go asap.

[Lord Howland Greywolf]

Maybe the reason the wolf brothers didn't work was because the wolves put the brothers most likely to turn into wulfen into that chapter. Then they told the inquisitors that because they cannot have successors and can they stay as a legion. Result: sticking it in the eye if the big ][ and Ultras, and get away with it.

[wiplash]

I was reading the Space Wolf fluff and it says the there were no SW successors made because of the 'defect' in the gene seed. Why is this even considered a defect? The fact that the Wulfen curse doesn't allow marines to become tainted by chaos should be an asset, right? What does everyone think about this?

 

Thanks in advance for your thoughts :lol:

 

if you read the books (not sure if they are completely fluuf correct but anyway):

in this the men are given the gene, some go insane some die etc. but some can handle it

when you create a second founding you change the gene seed so either the people who made it weren't very good :) or didnt test it or something

or these changes caused a larger/all of the applicants to die or go insane

 

thats how i interpret it anyway

[Max_Dammit]

Nah, they just dont want a 2nd chapter that is as stubborn as SW's, so they just say it cant be used :D

[Jonny Wolf]

Too true brother Max,

the inquisition has a hard enough time getting shot at by one SW chapter...they don't need two.

[wiplash]

also from a tactical point of view an all wulfen army would be not that good i figure,noone would understand the orders,noone would handle heavy support etc...

 

they wouldn't have any support other than more close combat :wub:

[Wulf Vengis]

Is there any other kind of combat???

[Grey Mage]

Yeah.... see in 40k theres three phases: Positioning, softening up, and finishing off.

 

You need the guns for the second one, and vehicles are good at the first. :D

[The_Betrayed_Spacewolf]

you guys undersell the 13th company way too much