Justicar, to equiped or vanilla?

[Tauren]

Codex written text yes, codex point values no. He was referring very specifically to the point values and wargear options as to what a marine is capable of wielding ever and not wielding. I disagree with this statement and hold written works higher in canon fluff than a codex which is usually limited in it's fluff to a 3-5 pages of text and descriptions of characters. By that logic a marine can never pick up anything other than what is in the codex, which makes no sense and does not serve fluff in anyway.

 

Further-more if we assume that the codex is canon based on the fluff provided we can read that grey knights are infact given terminator honors, not a rank. Terminator honors grants them the ability to be fielded in terminator armor, further-more if we choose not to ignore basic logic it is still logical to believe that on lesser missions you would not take to the field in hollowed terminator armor but rather in basic power-armor. Sorry but this is a matter of basic logic and knowledge of how marine chapters, even the grey knights act in regards to their resources. For the same reason that you don't field 300 pts worth of terminator armor in a combat patrol you don't field an unit of knights in power-armor and a justicar in terminator armor for lesser incursions or disturbances.

 

I could list more arguments against the very nature of this argument based on current codi but based on the fact that our codex is 2 editions out of date and the nature of how GW is running marines, wargear, and other options nowadays I feel if you know the current setting it's not necessary to bring it up.

[guillaume]

yep, I guess it is a shame that the justicar clearly have access to lot of goodies, yet they are so prohibitely expensive in the first place that it doesn't make good compositional sense to deck the him out.

 

I guess it follows the "twice the price of a trooper" rule. A vet sergeant is twice the price of a SM.

 

As far as the targeter is concerned, it certainly is not a "must have" but i have used them couple of times to get a better dimension of the table layout. So that when a unit is in a forest, I shoot the forest to see where they are. It is kind of a cheating move, but that is what it does.

 

The other reason i use targeter is because my list is 1495 pts in total, so I might as well just use some bits and bobs like targeters...

[Grand Master Tyrak]

Sorry but this is a matter of basic logic and knowledge of how marine chapters, even the grey knights act in regards to their resources. For the same reason that you don't field 300 pts worth of terminator armor in a combat patrol you don't field an unit of knights in power-armor and a justicar in terminator armor for lesser incursions or disturbances.

 

Whilst I agree on the premise, it is a matter of fluff despite it being in the rules section:

 

"Grey Knights in power armour may only choose items from the wargear section, they are well trained in the blessed weaponry of the order and are forbidden to use lesser items."

C:DH, p16, Daemonhunters Armoury

 

Also, Terminator Armour is not allocated in the same manner as SM Chapters, it is also dependent on the psychic skill of the GK in question (C:DH p7, 2nd paragraph).

[Tauren]

Note, it says truly worthy and "master their psychic talents". I suspect that the reward for psychic talent is the FW part of the NFW and the actual psychic powers, not a suit of armor. The armor is gonna be more sided to those who prove themselves in combat, rather than psychic ability to which it does little to benefit. Plus many grey knights may not master any psychic powers but rather the gestalt power that all knights have to resist psychic attacks and utilize their psychic ability in conjunction with their weapon which acts as a conduit (thus the + to str and the power weapon)

[iamnothere]

GKT are experienced combat soldiers that have served their time in the rank and file, many having been Justicars.

 

Justicars are chosen for their ability to lead squads of PAGK as well as their combat experience.

 

I think there is a distinction between the 2 that elevates experienced combat soldiers to the veteran status of GKT. That status doesn't rank them as Justicars though, only as Brothers.

[Marid]

That makes good sense. A Justicar is a leader whereas a GKT need not be.

 

Back on topic, I agree that grenades and targeters are inexpensive and effective upgrades but most others are not. With the odd BC cost of 61, we always seem to have a few points left for a few cheap upgrades at the end. ^_^

[revnow]

My momma always used to say, "5 points on melta bombs a day keeps the Dreads away." True story.

[iamnothere]

Odd cost for the BC? If you add in 4 GKT and 2 psycannons you get 300pts bang on.

 

Almost like it was designed for the task....

[Tauren]

You're not allowed to take more than 1 special weapon with the termies, notice it says "Only 1 model may replace its stormbolter with x at x or x at x"

[revnow]

Iamnotthere is putting the second psycannon on the BC. That's why it is 300 points.

[Tauren]

Ahhh makes sense...

[benmothershaw]

;) Doesn't it say Advance not 'sweeping Advance'?

One of the reasons I believe he's expensive is because he's not targetable and only a upgrade character.

[Skytear]

My momma always used to say, "5 points on melta bombs a day keeps the Dreads away." True story.

 

Yeah, don't leave home without a party cracker - you never know.

[YourMumRang]

Might I ask how we can sweeping advance? I thought that was done away with in 5th.

[Skytear]

Might I ask how we can sweeping advance? I thought that was done away with in 5th.

 

In case you're referring to the Sweeping Advance after Close Combat, its in the BBB.

[Marid]

Might I ask how we can sweeping advance? I thought that was done away with in 5th.

 

What they got rid of was the ability to consolidate into a new combat.