The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 ok it was brought to my attention today that i either have to go all drop pods or none today even after i was informed on this site that we can mix drop pods and vehicles. heres the quote from our codex: at the start of a battle where you can use the DS rules you can declare that your space wolves are deploying by landing in D.P.s from orbit. only the following can deploy from drop pods. no other models in the army can be used in this mission (they stay aboard the ship): any space marine imodel in power or tda, space marine scouts, dreadnoughts and land speeders" ok so this means we cant use any other vehicles not listed. rules from codex space marines lists no such limits on your army lists. then the FAQ says: "use the rules for drop pod assault on page 21 of codex space marines, (old book apparently.) follow the space wolves list of models that can utilize drop pods" ok so the guy says i cant use the vindicator and other models and that everything has to come in by drop pod. is this right? it says we use the rules from codex space marines but it doesnt say anything about limiting me to just what can be in play with drop pods please i need some help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
lance002 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 The current FAQ does not list a page number in C:SM, but merely refers to that codex (i.e., the one most recently published). Check the GW website or this forum for the latest FAQ as you may be using an older version. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 You are using an older version. You can mix and match with Drop Pods. Nothing in what you quoted would suggest otherwise that I could see. I love folks who dont play the army telling us all about how we are doing it wrong :) I would tell them to prove it to you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 even still. what about the line in the newer faq that says follow the codex space wolves list of models that can use drop pods. then the codex goes and says we cant use anything else other then drop pods in drop pod assaults as all others are left on board? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 The codex doesnt say that. Mine doesnt anyway. FAQ says to use our codex to see which models can use pods. C:SM (and the 4th ed C:SW FAQ, IIRC) in no way imply that you must use a full army of drop pods. Your using an outdated codex it seems. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 hmm really? that sounds good then. sweet. can i get the exact if almost exact wording from your codex then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Sure. I will get on later tonight or tomorrow if someone doesnt beat me to it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 also searching like heck for a pdf of the codex that says differently so i have physical proof. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 The main part of this is that the codex SW tells you wich models can use a drop pod, codex Space Marine tells you HOW you can use the drop pods.... but not what with. See? Any Model in TDA, PA, scout armor or a Dreadnaught can take a drop pod.... it also mentions deep striking people with jump packs and speeders... but that has no baring on the drop pods. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 ok... so let me get this straight to get the basic of my arguement for it. ok.... so the faq says we use the drop pod assault rules in codex space marines... ok and then the faq says we use the list provided in codex space wolves to see what can go into the drop pod and we just ignore the bit about what stays in the ship correct? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlord Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Let me get this straight. I am the one that brought this discussion today. I am not currently a space wolf player. But i was in the past, so the bit about people who dont play this army telling people who do is not exactly accurate. So basically the discussion is basically this. The faq and my interpretation is correct up until the point where you are telling us that their is a newer space wolf codex printing that revises the way that rule is worded. Am i correct? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 ok so we you the rules for drop pod assault from codex smurfs. no problem so far. the faq then states that we use the list and nothing else from codex space wolves about what can ride in a drop pod. ok the list states that power armour and termie armour and scouts and land speeders can ride in drop pods. as the thing about limiting my army is a rule and not a list i dont think it applies to drop pod assault as the space marine codex puts it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlord Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 what confuses me And i wont be upset if you guys are right and i am wrong... But, if the rule says, models in terminator armor, power armor, scout armor and landspeeders can drop pod, and all other units are left on the ship. it seems pretty cut and dry to me...what makes it so you can use drop pods for some of your units and use land raider units as well if they are supposed to be left on the ship? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Drop Pods: Use the rules for Drop Pods in Codex: Space Marines. Follow the Codex: Space Wolves list of models that can utilize Drop Pods. any Space Marine model in power or Terminator armour, Space Marine Scouts, Dreadnoughts, and Land Speeders. You ignore the "no other models" bit (which is in my codex). The ONLY part of that entry in our special rules that you need concern yourself with is the list above, per the FAQ. Drop Pod Assault: Drop Pods always enter play... At the beginning of your first turn... etc etc Nowhere in that section (or any other on p69, which is the Drop Pod page) would state that if you use pods you must use them for the entire army. I can appreciate that you were once a Space Wolf player, but I am guessing it was back in 3rd ed? They changed the DP rule when they introduced actual drop pod models (rather than just a 'deep strike' in a 'drop pod' as it was in 3rd). It was in the 4th ed FAQ. They didnt make it quite as clear, but the only part of the SW Drop Pod rules that you need to worry about is which models may use it. Technically, Wolves can not join in a pod, even though the 4th ed FAQ said they could (I am 99.9% sure it did), but I have yet to meet anyone that wasnt ok with it.. not that I ever do it anyway, but still. So, I hope that answers the question. Sorry for any rudeness on my part, its been a long day and this is a very old issue that seems to keep coming up... which I guess means it gets added to our FAQ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 well heres the thing though: that entry is about drop pod assault. including the bit about staying on ships. now the list i believe is what is allowed in drop pods ie you cant fit a land raider in a drop pod and the list is what the faq mentions you take from codex space wolves not any of the rules. the rule comes from codex space marines. EDIT when reading this thread insert this post above wolflordlars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Oh, and I would be inclined to say that Land Speeders can no longer ride in them, as they have their own deep strike rules now... but I suppose if you REALLY wanted to pay the extra points for a pod.. the rules say you can. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Because the FAQ doesnt refer to the rule specificly. What is says is : Drop Pods: Use the rules for Drop Pods in Codex: Space Marines. Follow the Codex: Space Wolves list of models that can utilize Drop Pods. It says nothing about referencing any other part of the rule. Thus you are correct in a sense.... landraiders cannot take drop pods. Nor can speeders... only a model in power armore, tda, or scout armor can "take" a drop pod. However it says use the rules for drop pods from codex space marines.... they dont restrict any other units be taken by taking a drop pod. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 i dont even use those things. stupid land speeders. although now that i see how good melta weapons are. (seriously won me a game today) that might change Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 To take this a step further its been accepted taht some interpretation is needed, as per the old rules we pay no points for the drop pods... and by the FAQ we use their rules.... it says nothing about purchasing them. The DP rules in Codex:SM say nothing about purchasing them either...... So..... without interpretation then yes I can see us being limited to a drop pod only list, but we will however get every single pod for free. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 i wont go that far into rule lawyering or abuse. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 GM has a point. If someone wants to try to lawyer their way into forcing me to take an all-pod army, I get them for free... a prospect I can certainly live with. :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 ok i was just trying to make sure my list was still possible not to try this kind of stuff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I personally dont like the free idea. It seems cheesey and underhanded. As such I prefer to go with the more open minded and simple method: I use the drop pods in all capacities as if they were a codex SM choice... IE they dont restrict any other models and they cost me 35pts +weapon/options. It seems reasonable and balanced and so far I have had no complaints save a few gut reactions of "But thats not in your codex!" wich were easily straitened out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlord Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 alrighty i see what your saying. i wasnt trying to attack, i was merely making sure we got things right. .......... ok you win :-D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 And understandably so... after all with two books being used accross three editions it could easily be abused in some fashion Im sure.... no offense was taken on my side anyways. Just trying to point out what weve discussed a number of times. Good Hunting, to you both. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155447-drop-pod-assault-and-the-wolves/#findComment-1815470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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