OwlandMoonGuy Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Hello gents. I’m embarking on a small pre-heresy army; only 1,000 pts. I just got around to playing with some test models and here’s the first. As far as pre-h goes, here are the changes made to typical marines: Mark IV chest piece Studded left shoulder pad Right shoulder w/legion markings Crusader helmet (I know there are better choices but that’s what I have to work with) Plain case bolter w/kill strokes I realize that the legs should have the solid grieve but I believe that will make the force look too static. Besides, the LW’s pic on the cover of Horus Rising all have rounded knee pads. I do need to add a squad badge to the right knee but I haven’t worked out the insignia as of yet. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/OwlandMoonGuy/Pre-H%20Research/00-TestLW-1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/OwlandMoonGuy/Pre-H%20Research/01-TestLW-2.jpg Suggestions most welcome. -OMG Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle captain corpus Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 @OMG Very nice work on the positioning firstly bud, the pose works well, very reminiscent of the Flase Gods cover art. Maybe its down to the lighting possibly but I do feel the colour is slightly a little too green? I always envision the Wolves as having whiter armour? Other than that solid work, your freehand is great for the insignias too. BCC <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1816742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminatorinhell Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 wow that looks awesome, that's my first luna wolf I have seen and it makes me want to make a squad of a similar chapter. Whats the armor recipe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1816767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlandMoonGuy Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 I’ll take some better pics as he is very definitely Vallejo Lt. Grey in real life. Also, I can’t take freehand credit for the legion badge. It’s an elaboration on the decal set posted at Bell of Lost Souls. Here’s the first set I was playing with: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/OwlandMoonGuy/Pre-H%20Research/FirstLWBadges.jpg Thanks for the comment. -OMG Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1816769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magos Explorator Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Looks good to me! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1817668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I really like the look of it but I'm going to nitpick and say that he shouldn't have the studded shoulder pad as that was a "heresy-era" design. If he is truly pre-heresy, he would have a regular shoulderpad. The studs are actually bolts that are holding together the layers of armor, it was fashioned this way because the manufactorums on Mars were at war and they were in a transition era as far as armor goes at the time the Heresy took place. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1817912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlandMoonGuy Posted December 23, 2008 Author Share Posted December 23, 2008 Whelp, w/o a definite source from GW that gives us a true map of THE pre-h look, I find you have to pick your source and stick with it. In my case (given on-hand material constraints), I’m going by the cover art of the HH novels, the best example being the one for, False Gods. There they have basically Mark IV armor with the studded shoulder on the right. I’m old enough to have assembled some RT beakies in my day so the studded pad went back to the left (I’m actually thinking that the cover art is a mirror image of the original but that’s just me). So, we can debate the validity of sources all you like. In the end, you just have to pick one and stay true to it to the best of your ability. Unless someone more versed than myself would like to enlighten me further. -OMG Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1817937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I really like the look of it but I'm going to nitpick and say that he shouldn't have the studded shoulder pad as that was a "heresy-era" design. If he is truly pre-heresy, he would have a regular shoulderpad. Actually, right at the beginning of the HH I believe that the Heresy pattern armour was released, therefore the studded Shoulder Guard is plausible. But like OMG said it comes down to what source you want to follow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1817942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I want to clarify that I do really like the model. That was just a small point of contention that I have when it comes to "pre-heresy" models, I guess it also depends on what we describe as pre-heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1818026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlandMoonGuy Posted December 23, 2008 Author Share Posted December 23, 2008 Clarification not required; I appreciate the input. Actually, these guys are 63rd expedition marines so at what point do they officially become heresy era vs. pre-heresy? From the battle at the Whisperheads on? Example; Exp 1-63:18 pre-Heresy, Exp 63:19 onward – Heresy Era. Maybe that’s more appropriate. -OMG Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1818035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Well, I've always sort of felt that Heresy era meant after Istvaan. When there was open war between brother Astartes. Like I said, its a point of contention and easily debatable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1818242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kael Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Well, I've always sort of felt that Heresy era meant after Istvaan. When there was open war between brother Astartes. Like I said, its a point of contention and easily debatable. Well even if you look at it like that, the astartes before the heresey looked the same during the heresy. I mean the marines did not put studs into their armour as soon as Horus bombed Istvaan. The armour was uniform before, during, and slightly after the heresy. Only later did new designs and "upgrades" take place due to technological advances and such. And by the way, great model. I like the color and it gives a new feel towards the usual luna wolf scheme. There is nothing wrong with the scheme as it is how your see the luna wolves and how you feel they should be painted. I think it looks cool and unique. My two cents. Captain Kael :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1818392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magos Explorator Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 I really like the look of it but I'm going to nitpick and say that he shouldn't have the studded shoulder pad as that was a "heresy-era" design. If he is truly pre-heresy, he would have a regular shoulderpad.The studs are actually bolts that are holding together the layers of armor, it was fashioned this way because the manufactorums on Mars were at war and they were in a transition era as far as armor goes at the time the Heresy took place. The way I think about this is that there were certainly other wars before the Heresy where a marine force would be away from supplies for an extended period of time. So in those situations you might find similar 'repairs'/'upgrades' being made. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1819504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlandMoonGuy Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 Alright; here's test model #2 & #3. I'm thinking this is getting a bit closer to the book cover. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/OwlandMoonGuy/Pre-H%20Research/LW-Test2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/OwlandMoonGuy/Pre-H%20Research/LW-Test2-2.jpg C&C always welcome. -OMG Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1843436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Either Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 very gd keep up the gd work ^_^ nd i look forward to seeing more Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1843604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.(Space)Marine Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Very cool OMG, I particulary like the one taking a pot shot with his blt pistol. Do you use the Red Scorpions pack for your Mk. IV chest plates? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1843617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle captain corpus Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Alright; here's test model #2 & #3. I'm thinking this is getting a bit closer to the book cover. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/OwlandMoonGuy/Pre-H%20Research/LW-Test2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/OwlandMoonGuy/Pre-H%20Research/LW-Test2-2.jpg C&C always welcome. -OMG Now they are veeeery good OMG, veeeery good indeed. They are 100% likenesses for the book cover art. Congratulations, I would be truly proud to have them in my collection if I were you. ;) Corpus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1844338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlandMoonGuy Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 Thanks gents. Do you use the Red Scorpions pack for your Mk. IV chest plates? No, those are Mk IV chests from your garden variety tactical sprues. I actually like them a little more than the FW bits and they are easier to come by as well. I’m going to try to get the rest of the squad done this weekend. I was able to find bits from the Roman plume on the Sgt’s helmet. I think it should turn out well. More then. -OMG Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1844366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magos Explorator Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Those chest plates are Mark V, not Mark IV. (But they look good!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1849892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Commander Vespasian Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I really like the look of it but I'm going to nitpick and say that he shouldn't have the studded shoulder pad as that was a "heresy-era" design. If he is truly pre-heresy, he would have a regular shoulderpad.The studs are actually bolts that are holding together the layers of armor, it was fashioned this way because the manufactorums on Mars were at war and they were in a transition era as far as armor goes at the time the Heresy took place. You shouldn't nitpick as there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Luna Wolves in their Mark IV armour having a studded shoulderpad:it is in fact perfectly Pre-Heresy: Posterity will know with precision, for instance, which hand Iacton Qruze carried his sword in, the colour of the sky over the Monastery Cities of Nabatae, the methodology of the White Scars' favoured pincer assault, the number of studs on the shoulder plate of a Luna Wolf... OwlandMoonGuy: Very nice miniatures; I look forward to seeing more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1850702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I liked the bitz you used for the first model far better, but the second batch of testers were painted to a higher standard. I like all the details you've added to the models though. Those kill markings are very cool and remind me of the RT era Space Marines with all the motifs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1851818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlandMoonGuy Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 Those chest plates are Mark V, not Mark IV. (But they look good!) You are quite correct, I stand corrected. I guess you have to shell out the quid for the FW models if you want true Mark IV. Going back to the cover art, it looks like the Mark V is actually a bit closer. Pre-Heresy? Post-Heresy? Heresy Era? Let’s call the whole thing off. I liked the bitz you used for the first model far better, :ermm: Other than the deck plating the bits selection’s identical. Maybe the combat knife? What are you referring to specifically? Thanks for the comments gents. I do want to stay as authentic as I can within budgetary constraints. The advice has been much appreciated. -OMG Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1852227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Other than the deck plating the bits selection’s identical. Maybe the combat knife? What are you referring to specifically? Yeah, your certainly right. I mistakenly typed bits but I meant the pose of the model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1853079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainForge Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Love the paint job. It has inspired me to make up some pre heresy wolves myself. Would you mind posting a paint recipe? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1860268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlandMoonGuy Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share Posted January 28, 2009 Most of the colors are Vallejo placed over a Tamiya grey (or is it light grey?) spray primer undercoat. I used Citadel’s black wash on the shadows to establish the darkest recesses and then built up from there. The layers are wet brushed on in the following order: Light Grey Sky Grey Ivory Off white I then trim up the highest areas with Vallejo white. The Ivory & the wet brush does go a long way to helping out the antique feel of the model. I intend to stress that more on the tanks. Here’s the sergeant for this squad. He still a WIP as there’s a lot of cleanup left to complete. Otherwise, I thought the look still turned out in the right direction. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/OwlandMoonGuy/Pre-H%20Research/LW-Sarge-0.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/OwlandMoonGuy/Pre-H%20Research/LW-Sarge-1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/OwlandMoonGuy/Pre-H%20Research/LW-Sarge-2.jpg Comments always welcome. -OMG Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155539-pre-heresy-test-model/#findComment-1861436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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