Termie load out take 2

[travh20]

OK, there has been some discussion lately about CSM Terminator load out. I was going to go 4 PW's and a single chainfist, but I just got a box of SM assault termies and have a couple extra sets of lightning claws. I was thinking of this as the new load out for my 5 CSM termies:

 

chain fist/ combi melta

 

Tentacle (played as PW)/ combi melta

 

Power Axe / heavy flamer

 

twin lightning claws

 

twin lightning claws

 

What do you think? I like it. The felxibility of the tentacle gives me the option to add a PF is I see the need. Giving them a mark or making them champs will make them even better, but even as is they are pretty potent I think.

[Sons of Horus]

MoK and champs ^_^ that's a lot of attacks! all of which are power weapons :(

[minigun762]

That seems fairly balanced. I'm having a hard time trying to figure out Terminators myself, mostly in the delivery system.

[the jeske]

What do you think? I like it. The felxibility of the tentacle gives me the option to add a PF is I see the need. Giving them a mark or making them champs will make them even better, but even as is they are pretty potent I think.

chaos terminators should be tailord for hth . they dont have a crusader , dont have storm shields and cant outflank in land raiders . the 5 man squads you made is still small for a hth unit will hit at the same time as other meq [and after any hqs] , they may not be enough of them to destroy more then a tactical , but to do that they need a transport [otherwise they get just shot down , if the footslogg or teleport].

giving them marks or making them champs wont make them better it will only make them cost more. for the same pts you can have 2x3 combi weapon armed termi units . great and cheap meta choice.

[travh20]

But the chaos terminator models look so bad ass, I have to use them!

[Rain]

That looks alright, though as jeske says, making them all champions is a waste of points. Really though, terminators are just not a very good option because the only way you prevent them from being shot to pieces is with a Land Raider, and a terminator squad with a landraider will be between a third and a quarter of your army depending on points amount and gear, that's a lot of eggs in one relatively small basket. I just don't see how it's worth it, berzerkers in rhinos seem much more cost effective to me, and they are troops so they can take objectives.

[minigun762]

That looks alright, though as jeske says, making them all champions is a waste of points. Really though, terminators are just not a very good option because the only way you prevent them from being shot to pieces is with a Land Raider, and a terminator squad with a landraider will be between a third and a quarter of your army depending on points amount and gear, that's a lot of eggs in one relatively small basket. I just don't see how it's worth it, berzerkers in rhinos seem much more cost effective to me, and they are troops so they can take objectives.

 

See I question the need for a Land Raider simply because you could buy 7 more Terminators for that price.

You will take some losses if you deep strike in, but you have to think about if you're going to lose enough models to warrant the Land Raider.

This is coming from someone who always said "take a Land Raider!"

 

People talk about not being able to do anything the turn you deep strike in, but isn't that the perfect time to use a Combi-Weapon? You have 1 turn normally that you can't assault, so might as well fire that 1 shot weapon.

 

Example:

5 Terminators and a Land Raider cost you 370 points minimum

2 groups of 5 Terminators all with Combi-Weapons cost you 350 points

 

The 2 Terminator group brings twice the bodies to the table and is cheaper. I didn't upgrade either of the Terminator squads beyond the Combi-Weapons for the 2nd choice because what upgrades you choose to pick will be dependant on what you want them to do.

[Rain]

I haven't used terminators in a while so I cannot speak for myself, but I can say that my opponents' DSing termies are generally not very long lived unless my army is already crippled at which point it doesn't matter.

 

I mean as soon as I see a terminator squad that is exposed, I immediately shower it with plasma cannons as well as anything else that is in range, and if possible assault the survivors with something that will have I5 like an HQ or berzerkers or something. It's especially bad with big squads as they bunch up on the template and get absolutely roasted by plasma cannons.

 

Edit: I guess two squads of five would be a safer bet, but A.) you have to hope and pray they come in on the same turn and B.) at least one of them is still going to probably be a sacrificial lamb unless you figure out something real crafty and the scatter gods favor you

[the jeske]

But the chaos terminator models look so bad ass, I have to use them!

dont ask me about opinions on looks , to everyone his own [my terminators are in half own sculpts anyway , as I hated the heads and front torse]. I can give you opinions about game play , tactics and army builds .

People talk about not being able to do anything the turn you deep strike in, but isn't that the perfect time to use a Combi-Weapon? You have 1 turn normally that you can't assault, so might as well fire that 1 shot weapon.

in my world they land , shot and then die on the next turn [or almost die sometimes one man survives] . that why for a gamer all champions , icons , LC etc are wasted pts as in most games if they deep strike they wont ever see play . in fact for all the upgrades you could almost buy a second 3 man squads and have a bigger chance of seeing one turn 2.