Wolf Guard BG with AC/SS combo

[LPetersson]

In an upcoming 3k pts match, I'm tempted to field this unit:

WGBL - PF\AC\WTN\WP\RC\TDA

2xWGBG - AC\SS\TDA

3xWGBG - PF\SS\WP\WTN\RC\TDA

 

Would I be correct in assuming that the AC\SS combo WGs won't get any attacks in CC?

 

My basic plan is to drive them up to my friend's Wraithguards in my redeemer and wail on them. I hope the Wraith Guard will survive the first round of CC so I'll be untouchable in the following turn...

[Battle-Brother Wags]

They would still get their base 2 attacks. Weaponry loadout doesn't affect that unless in a positive direction. Besides, in the SW wargear section, the SS is listed in the "weapon" lists anyway :-) Shield Bash, anyone?

 

When I used to play D&D, I had a cleric named Delryn whose favorite weapon was literally his shield. So many fun times . . . Delryn would have made a great Space Wolf . . . maybe I'll make him up as a Wolf Priest if they're any good in the new codex. Hmm.

 

Just as a personal preference, since you're playing in such a high points game, I would replace the PFs with Thunder Hammers. It looks cooler and has greater effect for not too many more points.

[LPetersson]

They would still get their base 2 attacks. Weaponry loadout doesn't affect that unless in a positive direction. Besides, in the SW wargear section, the SS is listed in the "weapon" lists anyway :-) Shield Bash, anyone?

 

When I used to play D&D, I had a cleric named Delryn whose favorite weapon was literally his shield. So many fun times . . . Delryn would have made a great Space Wolf . . . maybe I'll make him up as a Wolf Priest if they're any good in the new codex. Hmm.

 

Just as a personal preference, since you're playing in such a high points game, I would replace the PFs with Thunder Hammers. It looks cooler and has greater effect for not too many more points.

 

Cool, cheers. I guess they can nudge them gently with the AC or headbutt...

Thunder Hammers look much cooler, but I don't expect to get anywhere near his vehicles or Avatar with these lads, so it would be unnecessary.

Plus I don't have the models, so it would only look cooler in my imagination :-D

[WolfLordLars]

Still gets his attacks, though I think he would be better off with a belt of russ or some such than a storm shield. Take advantage of his stats.

 

@ Wags - Wolf Priests are probably the best HQ we get now for the cost. Stats of a WGBL with a free 3+ save, power weapon, and BP. I think your confusing that with a Rune Priest, our current worst HQ choice....

[TAVAAR]

I wouldn't give the WGBG with the AC the SS as well. They get their 2 attacks but all saves apply. They already have a 2+/5+ and the SS termis will be taking the brunt of the saves anyway. Give them something that they can use if you get in CC so you don't get STUCK IN. If this happens than the points you've spent on the AC's has been essentially negated for however many CC turns your in as your not using it to mow down the enemy. Trust me I've had it happen and was glad I gave them PW's or LC's (my termis tend to get hit by other termis and 2+ save units).

[dietrich]

Remember that an IC with a WG Retinue can't be singled out in close combat, he just counts as an upgrade character (like a veteran sergeant for a Codex Astares chapter). So, a storm shield isn't as important for our ICs with Retinue.

[Battle-Brother Wags]

@ Wags - Wolf Priests are probably the best HQ we get now for the cost. Stats of a WGBL with a free 3+ save, power weapon, and BP. I think your confusing that with a Rune Priest, our current worst HQ choice....

 

I think you mean 4+ save, and its not free, its in the cost. I don't see the Wolf Priest as being that great for a few reasons.

 

#1 That stat line is the same as a WGBL for considerably more.

 

#2 A WGBL can get a 3+ save by adding a SS and still be considerably under the price of a Wolf Priest.

 

#3 With the WP, you're either stuck with a basic PW, or you pay for a Frost Blade on top of the points you've already paid in the WP's basic cost to have a power weapon. Most of the time, a basic PW won't cut it in my book when it comes to my HQs, but I'm loathe to pay the extra points on top of the cost of the WP himself.

 

I honestly don't see any reason to take a WP unless you know you're going to be using Healing Potions & Balms. None of my lists would put a WP in that capacity.

 

I'm very much looking forward to our new codex for some new HQ choices. I'm actually hoping that we either lose the 1/750 for HQs or that it is at least upped to 1/1000. We have a low enough body count as it is.

[WolfLordLars]

Yes, 4+. You can give a WGBL a SS, but at the cost of a hand. So, you either end up with a shooting WGBL, or a CC WGBL, either way it wastes the BS/WS of 5.

 

For a WGBL to match a WP would look like this:

 

WGBL - BP/PW - BoR - 101

 

You dont save much, but it is cheaper to field a WP than a WGBL kitted out like a WP. HP&B is just a bonus on that.

[Grey Mage]

I wouldnt field the origional unit up there personally. I dont like putting SS on my AC WG.... no terminator should ever, ever, allow the enemy an armor save. Its just bad shop.

[Vassakov]

I think his Termies are going for the mobile firebase approach rather than CC slaughterforce.

[LPetersson]

I think his Termies are going for the mobile firebase approach rather than CC slaughterforce.

 

Exactly, and I know exactly how much they'll get shot to pieces if they aren't still in CC in my enemy's turn.

Hence why they're shooty with some CC...

[Gondlir the Wandbearer]

My termies go for both. WGBG w/ powerfist, storm shield and cyclone launchers :-D (and wolf pelts - goes without saying).

[Battle-Brother Wags]

You dont save much, but it is cheaper to field a WP than a WGBL kitted out like a WP. HP&B is just a bonus on that.

 

But thats just the thing, why would you ever want to kit out a WGBL like a WP? If you're not desirous of HP&B, you can get better than a WP for the same points. WGBL w/ Frost Blade and Storm Shield is the same price as a basic WP and will kill more, even with one less attack, and last longer in CC than a basic WP. If you're worrying about wasting the BS of 5, then to keep the comparison fair, you have to leave Heavy Weapons out because the WP doesn't even have access to them, so then you're worried about a single Bolt Pistol shot. I would much MUCH rather upgrade an invulnerable save to 3+ and lose a single S4 shot than the other way around.

 

So again, unless you have a particular use for HP&B, especially because the Fang of Morkai doesn't do squat anymore, I just don't see a reason to take a WP.

[WolfLordLars]

That is if you chose to kit a WGBL like a WP. No, its probably not the best idea. Between the heavy weapon and frost blade, the few extra points is worth what you get for it, but I dont think we are going to agree on the value of the WP. I maintain that our current "MWIC" (Most Worthless IC) is the Rune Priest.

 

Anyway, I still use WP's, and they do the job they are meant to with a minimum of fuss and cost.

[Battle-Brother Wags]

I maintain that our current "MWIC" (Most Worthless IC) is the Rune Priest.

 

That has never been in doubt.

 

Anyway, I still use WP's, and they do the job they are meant to with a minimum of fuss and cost.

 

Just out of curiosity, if you're not gonna use the HP&B (which you might, and that would make this question moot), then what is it about a Wolf Priest that gets the job done with a minimum of fuss and cost that can't be done by a WGBL more effectively for the same price cost?

[WolfLordLars]

I do use HP&B.

 

Even if I didnt, the 'cheap' belt of russ would make it worthwhile. The only change I usually make to the WP (other than HP&B, but lets say I didnt use them) would be a PP instead of the BP. I can then give a real Belt of Russ to my Wolflord.

[Grey Mage]

Alot of people dont feel that BoR is worth it anymore, what with us having the cheapest stormshields alive. Im kinda split on the issue, but if Im taking a Wolf Lord the battles at 3000 points anyways so I give him one to free up a shooting arm.... and artificer armor. Dont ask me why, it just makes sense to me... I know its horribly points ineffecient but if He doesnt take those items I have a hard timed justifying him as a true wolf lord. TDA or Artificer anyways.

[Wolfside]

wgbl can take assault cannons?

i come here every now and again but...someone just quickly tell me how wgbl can take wgbg heavy weapons?

[WolfLordLars]

wgbl can take assault cannons?

i come here every now and again but...someone just quickly tell me how wgbl can take wgbg heavy weapons?

 

First, check the FAQ. :D

 

Second, there is both a long answer ans short answer. Long Answer is that the wording of the WGBL and WG heavy weapons means that a WGBL can take one. Short answer is that the official FAQ says so.

[Corver]

Just checking the new marine rules for SShields they rock. I do think its strange that the FAQ doesnt clarify that we dont use the SS stats from the back of our codex.

[WolfLordLars]

Just checking the new marine rules for SShields they rock. I do think its strange that the FAQ doesnt clarify that we dont use the SS stats from the back of our codex.

 

We dont use anything from the back of our codex. Its a "reference" and its outdated. It isnt the rules we follow.

 

Check the wording of the codex. Most things say "refer to C:SM"