farseerixirvost Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Chaos Terminator Armor states (paraphrase) that models wearing it can move and fire heavy weapons and may assault after firing heavy and rapid fire weapons. But, can a Chaos Terminator fire its Twin-linked Bolter at maximum range after moving? Doesn't seem like it to me... But that would be ludicrous... Danke in advance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Officially, until a FAQ changes this, no they don't fire 24 inches if they move. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1824569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Most people you discuss this with will agree though that Terminators are now (5th Edition) supposed to use the "relentless" universal special rule, like the Terminators in the new Codex Space Marines do. Normally people would say that Codex trumps Rulebook, but that is sometimes difficult to judge when a new Rulebook is being published. You could go by what the Codex Chaos Space Marine says, but perhaps you and your opponent will agree that they use the relentless rule now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1824809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniclurker Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Doesn't it say that they may fire as if they had not moved? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1824849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher 102 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Models in Terminator armour are capable of moving and firing with heavy weapons and may assault after firing rapis fire and heavy weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1824857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Dammit - that sucks. Hopefully my friend won't be a RAW monkey and not let me... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1824908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniclurker Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dammit - that sucks.Hopefully my friend won't be a RAW monkey and not let me... Um, if this is your friend you are playing, then there shouldn't be a problem. Just say "Hey, GW messed this up. It's obvious that I my terminators should behave like loyalist termies, but they didn't write it in there exactly like they should have. You don't mind if I play it this way, do you?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1826719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 aye, i sorta automatically assume chaos termies can move and shoot 24inches with rapid fire weps, but i rarely use them at that range anyways ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1826727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
coot Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Don't the GWW FAQ's say that the Codex over rules the 5thEd rules? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1826742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
farseerixirvost Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Thanks, guys. :( ^_^ :) Clearly a case of RAW vs. RAI. I don't make it to very many tournament like events, but will suck it up for RAW until FAQ states otherwise... **edit** oops, forgot. COOT, no it does not per se, but its always been generally assumed Codex trumps rules. But as Legatus has said above, it is questionable at times when the rules are later than the codex - new rules often "codifying and clarifying and 'universalizing'" things that older codecies needed "universalizing" on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1827045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniclurker Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Like I said, dude. Just ask your friend if it's ok. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1827418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
farseerixirvost Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 in running this by the local group, to get their opinion, one person said it was done this way on purpose "to show the supriority of the storm bolter". Not sure if that was a joke, but it wasn't followed by any smiley faces... Danke. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1827437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 there is some degree of truth to that. as said, though - just ask. the kicker on the SB is that it is assault 2, not RF and assaulting after firing is what seperates it from the combibolter. don't recall off hand if relentless bestows the ability to assault after rapid firing or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1827540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
farseerixirvost Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 don't recall off hand if relentless bestows the ability to assault after rapid firing or not. It does. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1827578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexx Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 It's a thing that is probably RAI to work that you can move and shoot up to 24", however it's kinda the same thing as teh Stormshields that GW just upgraded to being one of the best things in the codex (seriously, does anyone think that 3++ Stormshields are not the worst idea in the new Dex?) They said that gear could have the same name across the codex's, but work differently, so it's really a gey area. I'd assume your friends should be OK with it- but we have a Deathwing Player in our group who won't allow it as we don't allow him the better SS. In any event, it's more fun to drop the combibolters, load up the combiplasma, drop the squad of 10 in and rapidfire a marine squad or two to death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1827666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobman Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 This is one of the things with taking rules to the letter. It all depends where you are, tournaments will answer these questions for you as they can have 'house rules' for whatever. If you were gonna argue it I don't know the exact rules, but if you can move and with fire heavy weapons then surely you can with rapid fire? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1828517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniclurker Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 It's a thing that is probably RAI to work that you can move and shoot up to 24", however it's kinda the same thing as teh Stormshields that GW just upgraded to being one of the best things in the codex (seriously, does anyone think that 3++ Stormshields are not the worst idea in the new Dex?) Um, I think that 3++ is about the best thing they could've done. It finally made TH/SS termies worth taking, in my opinion. I now own 25 of them suckers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1829434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderbraa Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Are chaos terminator combi weapons also treated as twinlinked bolter+plas/melta/flamer or are they standard bolters? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1836454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Are chaos terminator combi weapons also treated as twinlinked bolter+plas/melta/flamer or are they standard bolters? combi-bolters are twin linked bolters. Chaos Terminators can upgrade them to combi-plas/melta/flamer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1836500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderbraa Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Are chaos terminator combi weapons also treated as twinlinked bolter+plas/melta/flamer or are they standard bolters? combi-bolters are twin linked bolters. Chaos Terminators can upgrade them to combi-plas/melta/flamer. Thanks for the help! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1836725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekrulcinam Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Clarification... A combi-plasma is a regular bolter and a single-use plasma gun. It is not twin-linked. The new chaos dex does not use the confusing term 'combi-bolter'. It now refers to such weapons, very specifically, as a twin-linked bolter. As such, if you upgrade your 'twin-linked bolter' to a 'combi-plasma', it is not twin-linked any more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156117-chaos-terminators-shoot-tl-bolter-24/#findComment-1838189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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