Do GK Terminators TH/SS get +1 A?

[col.woods606]

I was wondering if GKTs get a +1 attack if they have a TH and SS. I wouldn't have thought so but I couldn't see anywhere that said they don't..

 

Also, what's the best way to equip a GKTretinue which is going to deepstrike for close combat in your opinion?

[Mal]

No they do not, the ruling for power fists, thunder hammers and lightning claws are in the BRB, the DH codex doesn't have a seperate rule to override this... So you still need 2 to get the +1A.

[Captain Malachi]

Best deepstriking CC set-up? Don't deepstrike, take a land raider crusader, and give them TH/SS, just 'cos it's funny using the slightly different rules for DH thunder hammers. Oh, and throw a GKGM in there.

[Gentlemanloser]

While the GK SS does count as a 1H Weapon, as Mal posted above, due to 5th's change making a TH need another TH to give the extra attack, a GKT with a TH and SS doesn't get +1 Attack.

 

But taking one on a BC/GM to go with a NFW would give the second 1H weapon attack.

[DevianID]

While I wouldnt do this and its a mean thing to do anyway, you could technicly say that the thunderhammer in the DH book, due to its different wording, has the entire set of rules found in the DH codex; thus the rules in the BRB are entirely ignored because you use all the DH codex rules.

And because the no extra attack part is not found in the DH codex where the entire DH thunderhammer rules are located, DH thunderhammers do get the bonus attack when wielding a storm shield. Effectively the argument is that DH thunderhammer is completely different than the BRB thunderhammer, thus any refrence to the BRB thunderhammer has no effect on the DH thunderhammer.

 

Thats a very gamey thing to say, and in a tourney you will probably get ruled against via the judge and a 0 for sportsmanship to boot, but the path to the dark side is there. I mean, we DH players are already taking the +1 attack for the storm shield and instant gibbing with force weapons, our thunderhammers also being different and thus allowing +1 attack isnt that much of a strech.

[number6]

It is very gamey, and quite a stretch even using the most literalist of RAW interpretations. I would allow any opponents who wish to claim the extra attack to have it -- even if used against me, I want to see Grey Knights kicking serious butt! -- but I don't plan on trying to take advantage of that myself. It might be possible to argue it out in favor of the bonus attack, but it's more work than is worth it. It will generate more bad feelings than an extra die roll can justify.

 

Our storm shields may stink, but our thunder hammers are seriously awesome. It all balances out....

[col.woods606]

Thanks for clearing that up for me guys, cheers.

[Thaelion Hexis]

Trying to get an additional attack from a TH/SS is very edgy. For a start, the BRB still give the definative rules for TH. The codex has no definitive wording to contradict this, i.e. the user may still gain an additional attack if... etc. An exception only exists if it is written as such.

 

Plus, the armoury states that even though a SS counts as a weapon, it is not.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Well, the progression is;

 

1. Thunderhammer entry in the DH armoury stipulates it operates like a powerfist (with some additional rules)

2. In the BRB (the only place where the rules for powerfists exist), it states you need a 2nd powerfist in order to claim the +1A for two ccw's.

3. Storm shield is treated as a single-handed normal ccw (the little '4' asterisk explains this), therefore it can't be combined with thunderhammer for +1A

 

However, storm shields can still grant +1A to other combo's, for example with a NFW. So, on a Brother-Captain or Grandmaster, you could give them a storm shield to replace their storm bolter. That gets your +1A (because the NFW is either a power weapon or a force weapon, it can be combined with a single-handed normal ccw, just like a bolt pistol or a chainsword would be), and they throw in a 4+ invulnerable save in close-combat as well. So, when building a Brother-Captain or a Grandmaster, consider adding a storm shield.