JoeG1701 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I'm an American currently living in the Netherlands, and my closest GW shop is just over the border in Germany. I'm getting back into the hobby after a multi-year break, picked up the AoBR box set, and currently working on a new army. I buy anything with printed material (Codex, Rulebook, etc...) through mail order, because that's the only way I can get the English Language version. So I have US versions of the books, and I'll be playing my games in Europe. Are there any differences between the US and European versions? I imagine that English vs Metric units would be the major difference, but is there anything else? Anyone else had an experience playing with an opponent that spoke a different language, and have any suggestions to make the game run more smoothly? Thanks! Joe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Pash Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Heya, I have heard that there are slight differences in the translation of English vs. German rulebooks but have heard nothing the same about US vs. UK versions. Are your distances really in metric?! -_- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/#findComment-1827668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber_Wulf Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 indeed the american system works in Centimeters and all those units which in itself leads to thing being slighty out of proportion as centimeters and inches dont convert very smoothly. also there are many many many different ways to interpret words and phrases in various languages and the german language is known for being particularly bad for it. all ill say is taht there is a reason teh UK GT stipulates that to take part you need to provide and english rulebook and codex. afterall the game was born and bred in england. play it the way it was meant to be played :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/#findComment-1827696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Might have been better to order the british copy of the book :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/#findComment-1827704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Shawhat? I had no idear they used centimetres in the US. I know that in Spain they use centimetres, but all english rules (discussions and housrules mostly, then the odd black gobbo article) I remember used inches. In germany they use inches as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/#findComment-1827718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelmage99 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Huh? I thought all versions of the rulebook, irrespective of language, used inches. Do anybody here own a rulebook that does not use inches? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/#findComment-1827844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todosi Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Shawhat? I had no idear they used centimetres in the US. I know that in Spain they use centimetres, but all english rules (discussions and housrules mostly, then the odd black gobbo article) I remember used inches. In germany they use inches as well. We don't use metric in the US. We use Imperial measurements and always have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/#findComment-1827872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurth Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 We don't use metric in the US. We use Imperial measurements and always have. *grin* You really think so? Look up the official definition of a yard and tell me you don't use the metric system in America … ^_^ Anyway, AFAIK all translations of 40K use inches — to the extent that the Dutch translators of the AoBR set forgot to mention what an inch even is, even though it's no stretch of the imagination to assume that many Dutch people won't know. And as another anyway, Joe, you might want to find a Dutch game store in your area, even if it's further away than the German one. This because Dutch gamers use English-language rulebooks for just about any wargame, so you wouldn't need to order your books etc. from a foreign country. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/#findComment-1828032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 AFAIK all translations of 40K use inches As I said, in Spain they do use centimetres. Check out their Codex Blood Angels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/#findComment-1828087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelmage99 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Wow. Well, that is just......stupid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/#findComment-1828179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 They take 2.5 centimeters for an inch, not 2.54, so converting the ranges works out pretty well. Models can move 15 cm, boltguns have a maximum range of 60 cm. Basically it's 15cm steps instead of the original 6" steps. I am not sure how they work out random rolled distances, like running or difficult terrain, though. I guess then they do have to multiply. Normally you would only need that for things like night fighting visibility, not for difficult terrain or running. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/#findComment-1828203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blood_raven_240 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Just take a note of what King Pash said and you'll be fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/#findComment-1828210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi1993 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 "grin* You really think so? Look up the official definition of a yard and tell me you don't use the metric system in America … " Ok, I'll bite. Depends on your dictionary. The one I have at home has this to say. yard1 /yɑrd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [yahrd] –noun 1. a common unit of linear measure in English-speaking countries, equal to 3 feet or 36 inches, and equivalent to 0.9144 meter. "Equivalent" does not mean "defined as". Depending on the dictionary you are using, it will use either/both equivalencies. When I went to school (eons ago), we were taught that a yard was 3 feet. The metric conversion wasn't even mentioned. Pedantic debate aside, when I lived in Germany they used inches. As to the Spanish rules, converting the scatter to cm seems like a mess, even when you simplify the conversion. Do they include a "cheat sheet" with the rules with a quick reference for converting? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/#findComment-1828213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Scatter would be 5, 10, 15, 20 and 25 cm. Didn't Epic had such dice? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/#findComment-1828236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurth Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Ok, I'll bite. Depends on your dictionary. A dictionary is not an official definition :) 3.1. Standards of Length. - The meter, which is defined in terms of the speed of light in a vacuum, is the unit on which all length measurements are based. The yard is defined1 as follows: 1 yard = 0.914 4 meter and the inch is exactly equal to 25.4 millimeters. Click here for full text, then see section 3.1 on page B-7. Anyway, I have a feeling this thread will be locked if I go on about this … ;) So: Pedantic debate aside, when I lived in Germany they used inches. They also did when I was watching a 40K demo at Spiel 2008 last October. As to the Spanish rules, converting the scatter to cm seems like a mess, even when you simplify the conversion. Do they include a "cheat sheet" with the rules with a quick reference for converting? It's something you can do pretty quickly in your head if you're used to it, but yeah, it seems a bit of a pain to do this in a game that wasn't set up for it originally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/#findComment-1828464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Well, if you use the normal 15cm/6in rulers, they have one type of measurement on each edge (they do in England anyway), so you just mark the point on the ruler and look at the other edge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/#findComment-1828741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniclurker Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Ok, I'll bite. Depends on your dictionary. A dictionary is not an official definition :P 3.1. Standards of Length. - The meter, which is defined in terms of the speed of light in a vacuum, is the unit on which all length measurements are based. The yard is defined1 as follows: 1 yard = 0.914 4 meter and the inch is exactly equal to 25.4 millimeters. Click here for full text, then see section 3.1 on page B-7. Anyway, I have a feeling this thread will be locked if I go on about this … :P So: I don't care about this garbage. I live in the US, and 1 yard = 3 feet. 1 foot = 12 inches. Until the US converts to metric, that's how things are. Your argument is pointless, and you'll never, ever convince anyone of it. I'd really like to see you try to sway the opinion of construction workers here. What a pointless argument... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/#findComment-1829425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurth Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I don't care about this garbage. I live in the US, and 1 yard = 3 feet. 1 foot = 12 inches. That's not a definition either, it's subdivision of a unit … But you probably don't care that the text I quoted is from a publication by the American National Institute of Standards and Technology. Until the US converts to metric It has: the yard is defined as 0.9144 metres exactly. So you use metric all the time, just with very strange multiplication factors and unmetric names :) Your argument is pointless, and you'll never, ever convince anyone of it. I'd really like to see you try to sway the opinion of construction workers here. What a pointless argument... I doubt many construction workers read this forum anyway, but I like to think I present my arguments in a slightly more mature way than some people here do … /me hits Add Reply waits for the Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/#findComment-1829449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapter master 454 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 can i ask why we are argueing over the fine details of metric and imperial measurements. i mean unless the US decided that just recently they would change from the system that belonged to their old rulers that they got indepenance from then i haven't heard! :P :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156353-useu-game-differences/#findComment-1830306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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