high marshall jordan Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Well I had a game a few days ago where I had a thunderfire cannon and the techamrine had a unit of servitors with him when a guy I know in the sidelines began to say that a techmarine with a thunderfire cannon cant have a unit of servitors in the unit because in the special rules it does not say he is an IC but I argued that he is still a techmarine and therefore has the rules and upgrades a regular techmarine has, so we argued until my opponent agreed with me and just let it be. so I searched around and found nothing so now I'm wondering if there is a solid answer to this thanx in advance Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156516-techmarines-thunderfire-cannons-and-servitors/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapter master 454 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 right i'm an big time user of a thunderfire cannon that i called morvern and has so far pelted home 3 out of 4 rounds quite nicely even on scatter (30 ork, what 30 orks, i only see 15!). now heres the deal, the tech for a thunderfire gets no upgrades as he technically isn't the techmarine from the elite section, he is a gunner techmarine however heres the thing, he can take a squad of servitors but cannot join them until the cannon the destroyed. he is not an IC until cannon is destroyed and therefor cannot join the servys, and cannot be upgraded like a techmarine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156516-techmarines-thunderfire-cannons-and-servitors/#findComment-1829647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameal2007 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Well, having read through the relevant sections of Codex: Space Marines, it does in fact look as though you can have a unit of Servitors present on the Table for the Techmarine crewing a Thunderfire. Servitors - XXX Points - You may include one unit of Servitors for every Techmarine or Master of the Forge in your army Thunderfire Cannon - XXX Points - Unit Composition = 1 Techmarine Gunner and 1 Thunderfire Cannon Personally I didn't think it so, because you don't get any Servitor Models with the Thunderfire, but then again, the wording seems to me to say you could take an extra unit per Techmarine/Thunderfire combo. That's just my interpretation of it, however I personally wouldn't take the Servitors. Or the Thunderfire, come to think of it. Ah well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156516-techmarines-thunderfire-cannons-and-servitors/#findComment-1829656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 A Thunderfire Cannon and the Techmarine operating it count as an Artillery unit. That is a special type of unit, similar to jump infantry, bikes or monstrous creatures, and they are described on page 55 of the Rulebook. The unit consists of a number of artillery pieces and it's crew, in this case the single Thunderfire Cannon and the single operating Techmarine. He is a Techmarine, so your army can include one additional unit of Servitors. But you cannot combine an Artillery unit with another unit. Just like you could not join an Ork Cannon operated by Grots with a mob of Boyz. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156516-techmarines-thunderfire-cannons-and-servitors/#findComment-1829774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
high marshall jordan Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 alright so I understand that they cant have servitors so is there some sort of way to better there survival other then keeping there distance and puttimg them in cover with bolster defences? would putting it in a drop pod for a better position a good idea or I'm I just wasting points? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156516-techmarines-thunderfire-cannons-and-servitors/#findComment-1829931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt.doobie Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Following on from this question, does having a Techmarine crewing a Thunderfire cannon confer the 'bolster defense' special rule? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156516-techmarines-thunderfire-cannons-and-servitors/#findComment-1829940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelmage99 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Following on from this question, does having a Techmarine crewing a Thunderfire cannon confer the 'bolster defense' special rule? Looking at the Thunderfire Cannon entry on page 142 in the space marine codex, you see "Bolster Defences" listed as one of the units special rules, so yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156516-techmarines-thunderfire-cannons-and-servitors/#findComment-1829947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelmage99 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 alright so I understand that they a thunderfire cannon cant have join a unit of servitors so is there some sort of way to better there survival other then keeping there distance and puttimg them in cover with bolster defences? would putting it in a drop pod for a better position a good idea or I'm I just wasting points? fixed the wording for you. Well, you can use a spare Rhino to selectively block LOS from any unit you are not shooting at. Although is smacks a bit of Rhino-sniping (of 4th. edition infamy) it still works. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156516-techmarines-thunderfire-cannons-and-servitors/#findComment-1829950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Servitors - XXX Points - You may include one unit of Servitors for every Techmarine or Master of the Forge in your armyThunderfire Cannon - XXX Points - Unit Composition = 1 Techmarine Gunner and 1 Thunderfire Cannon I'd say that the rules there stte that you can have a unit of servitors for the units designated 'Techmarine' and 'Master of the Forge'. As the unit's designation for the techmarine gunner is 'thunderfire Cannon'; he don't get one My two penneth ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156516-techmarines-thunderfire-cannons-and-servitors/#findComment-1830184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelmage99 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Servitors - XXX Points - You may include one unit of Servitors for every Techmarine or Master of the Forge in your armyThunderfire Cannon - XXX Points - Unit Composition = 1 Techmarine Gunner and 1 Thunderfire Cannon I'd say that the rules there stte that you can have a unit of servitors for the units designated 'Techmarine' and 'Master of the Forge'. As the unit's designation for the techmarine gunner is 'thunderfire Cannon'; he don't get one My two penneth ~O Yeah, its one of those things that GW does best. The name of the unit is Thunderfire Cannon. The unit composition is; 1 Techmarine Gunner, 1 Thunderfire cannon The name in the statline is Techmarine. They (GW) really don't make it easy for us. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156516-techmarines-thunderfire-cannons-and-servitors/#findComment-1830253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapter master 454 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 and therefor we have to decipher their bad english, which i find that if the B&C did there would be less silly words like leiu which just means instead of, which to me left me confused as i hadn' seen the word before. GW should decide on what language they want and stick to it. and has anyone else noticed that theres be a huge long delay for the bloody errata file for the C:SM so far. and a note on rhino blocking in 4th ed, i was dealt that when a rhino blocked a unit on top a 3 storey building, i was bloody about to lunge over the table and right hook him for being a stupid rule lawyer. thank goodness for real LOS now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156516-techmarines-thunderfire-cannons-and-servitors/#findComment-1830281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Yeah, its one of those things that GW does best. The name of the unit is Thunderfire Cannon. The unit composition is; 1 Techmarine Gunner, 1 Thunderfire cannon The name in the statline is Techmarine. They (GW) really don't make it easy for us. ;) QFT. and therefor we have to decipher their bad english, which i find that if the B&C did there would be less silly words like leiu which just means instead of, which to me left me confused as i hadn' seen the word before. GW should decide on what language they want and stick to it. If I might quote a famous man, 'If you can't mean what you say you'll never say what you mean what you say'. Lieu is perfectly good english (if not with subtle undertones of french...ik ik ik) and I'm happy for you as i find it rare for me to learn new words - but i'm always glad when I do. With GW, it tends to be their proofreading and rules management which cause the problems. And remember...English sentences start with capitals :) ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156516-techmarines-thunderfire-cannons-and-servitors/#findComment-1830454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelmage99 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 and therefor we have to decipher their bad english, which i find that if the B&C did there would be less silly words like leiu which just means instead of, which to me left me confused as i hadn' seen the word before. GW should decide on what language they want and stick to it. and has anyone else noticed that theres be a huge long delay for the bloody errata file for the C:SM so far. and a note on rhino blocking in 4th ed, i was dealt that when a rhino blocked a unit on top a 3 storey building, i was bloody about to lunge over the table and right hook him for being a stupid rule lawyer. thank goodness for real LOS now. While we are on the subject of bad english. A proper use of punctuation, capitalisation and sentence construction would help in your communication. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156516-techmarines-thunderfire-cannons-and-servitors/#findComment-1830591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
high marshall jordan Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 Sorry for my bad grammar I was a bit short of time near the end and forgot to proofread. When I was trying to find the answer myself and finding out that there is no current SM FAQ I was quite shocked :) . Well the rhino LOS blocking sounds good and I was planning a mech. force with three thunderfire cannons and a MotF with a conversion beamer (just for the heck of it :D ) and try to isolate enemy units that could prove hazardous to my techies with a rhino wall. To find that GW made so much quirks and mistakes with the bread and butter of their business and not fixing it immediately afterwards is quite an embaressment for them :P . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156516-techmarines-thunderfire-cannons-and-servitors/#findComment-1830763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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