traxter Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 If I group a chaplain in power armour with a squad of assault terminators. and i win combat can the chaplain perform a sweeping advance or does the terminator armour stop this from happening still. If said chaplain fought solo and won he would get the sweeping advance so not sure why the terminators would stop this. opponent did not see it my way and said termies do not get a sweeping advance... i told him my chaplain does and he simply replied but not in that squad so i left it at that and killed him the following turn. Thanks for any clarification. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156686-mixed-armour-and-sweeping-advances/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Unfortunately that is not better described in the rules, but as with other "manouvers" like Fleet of Foot, Infiltrate, Scout or Hit & Run, all members of the unit have to be able to perform that manouver. Also remember that units move and assault at the speed of the slowest member. If any model of the unit does not have the ability to perform a manouver, the whole unit is unable to do so. If one model fires a rapid fire weapon and is then unable to assault, the whole unit is unable to assault. So if the unit contains any model in terminator armour, it cannot perform sweeping advances. That is true for a power armoured character in a terminator squad just as it is for a terminator character in a power armoured squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156686-mixed-armour-and-sweeping-advances/#findComment-1831656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angronn Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 The rules aren't explicit on the matter, but I think the following suggest that your opponent was correct: An independent character may not join or leave a unit during the Shooting and Assault phases... An independent character may not join or leave a unit while either he or the unit is locked in combat... When the attacks are resolved [in the Assault phase], independent characters are always treated as a separate single-model unit... Once all attacks have been resolved, these characters are once again treated as normal members of the unit they have joined (from determining assault results onwards). Given that the Chaplain cannot leave the unit, and the unit cannot sweeping advance, the Chaplain cannot sweeping advance either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156686-mixed-armour-and-sweeping-advances/#findComment-1831658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 If I group a chaplain in power armour with a squad of assault terminators. and i win combat can the chaplain perform a sweeping advance or does the terminator armour stop this from happening still. If said chaplain fought solo and won he would get the sweeping advance so not sure why the terminators would stop this. opponent did not see it my way and said termies do not get a sweeping advance... i told him my chaplain does and he simply replied but not in that squad so i left it at that and killed him the following turn. Thanks for any clarification. Hmmm I can see where the confusion has come from...it's not overly explicit; From Sweeping advances; - 'Both the unit falling back and the winning unit roll a d6 and add their initiative value...' - '...some units are not allowed to make sweeping advances' - e.g terminators From Characters; - 'Once all attacks have been resolved, these characters are treated as normal members of the unit they have joined...' This being the case as sweeping advances are performed by the unit and the chaplain is not considered a different unit he cannot sweeping advance as the rest of the unit cannot sweeping advance. Hope this helps :P ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156686-mixed-armour-and-sweeping-advances/#findComment-1831680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rat of vengence Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Yup, I concur. As a part of the unit he is attached to, he is limited by their restriction in this case. RoV Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156686-mixed-armour-and-sweeping-advances/#findComment-1831696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Exactly, which is why if im putting a chappy in a termi unit, hes in TDA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156686-mixed-armour-and-sweeping-advances/#findComment-1831702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 shame about the weapons combos which he can have as a terminator - would much prefer him with a stormshield...two wounds and I4 tsch! ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/156686-mixed-armour-and-sweeping-advances/#findComment-1831772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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