Okidus Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Can Sternguard use their spec ammo in a storm bolter? Do marines that choose to fall back fall back the 2D6, then, if swept, start combat anew at the new location? or do they always stay in place? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157022-2-questions-spec-ammo-and-storm-bolter-atsknf-and/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolf_nr Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Good questions both. I don't have my rulebook in front of me, but I think the special ammo only applies to the bolter, but I could be wrong. I'm not going to touch your second question without the rulebook in front of me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157022-2-questions-spec-ammo-and-storm-bolter-atsknf-and/#findComment-1836489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolus Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 1. I don't think so, as I think the entry specifies bolters and combibolters. 2. No, as sweeping advance is resolved before fallback. -Carolus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157022-2-questions-spec-ammo-and-storm-bolter-atsknf-and/#findComment-1836490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okidus Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 so in #2: 1. I lose combat 2. I elect to fall back 3. they sweep 4. we stay in place 5. I take additional wounds Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157022-2-questions-spec-ammo-and-storm-bolter-atsknf-and/#findComment-1836498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 so in #2: 1. I lose combat 2. I elect to fall back 3. they sweep 4. we stay in place 5. I take additional wounds Correct. And sternguard can't use special ammo in storm bolters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157022-2-questions-spec-ammo-and-storm-bolter-atsknf-and/#findComment-1836509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Okidus Posted Today, 07:21 PM Can Sternguard use their spec ammo in a storm bolter? No. Bolter and Combi-Bolters only. It says in the Sternguard entry that "Each boltgun armed model . . . automatically comes with several ammunition types . . . Each special ammunition type replaces the boltgun profile (including boltguns that are part of a combi-weapon) with the one shown here." Also, the 4th ed. Deathwatch Kill-team's special ammo worked in exactly the same way, and included a specific note saying that the special ammo can't be used with a Storm Bolter. The same deal applies to Hellfire Rounds, they are Heavy Bolter only. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157022-2-questions-spec-ammo-and-storm-bolter-atsknf-and/#findComment-1836515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay79 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I'll be the only one to say YES to special ammo in storm bolters. Army Builder v3.1 states it as a given no matter the weapon. "All bolters in squad may be given special ammo..." Here is a little screenshot from the roster which is certified and brings back no errors Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157022-2-questions-spec-ammo-and-storm-bolter-atsknf-and/#findComment-1836639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Army builder gets stuff wrong, a lot. And Stormbolters are not bolters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157022-2-questions-spec-ammo-and-storm-bolter-atsknf-and/#findComment-1836644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay79 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Serious? Wow... that sucks. I wonder if Armies of the Imperium is more accurate in its verification. I'm tempted to call GW for this one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157022-2-questions-spec-ammo-and-storm-bolter-atsknf-and/#findComment-1836647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I'll be the only one to say YES to special ammo in storm bolters. Army Builder v3.1 states it as a given no matter the weapon. "All bolters in squad may be given special ammo..." Here is a little screenshot from the roster which is certified and brings back no errors However, the Codex says specifiacally that it can only be used in bolters (see Codex for bolter) and combi-bolters. As a Storm bolter is not a bolter, you cannot use it. 2nd, isn't this better off in Official Rules? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157022-2-questions-spec-ammo-and-storm-bolter-atsknf-and/#findComment-1836651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flintlocklaser Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Army Builder is a 3rd party production, which means it's just as authoritative as your opinion or my opinion. The codex is explicit about what weapons can use the special ammo, and storm bolters are not mentioned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157022-2-questions-spec-ammo-and-storm-bolter-atsknf-and/#findComment-1836652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay79 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Well darn... wish Army Builder would fix it then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157022-2-questions-spec-ammo-and-storm-bolter-atsknf-and/#findComment-1836655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapter master 454 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Army builder gets stuff wrong, a lot. And Stormbolters are not bolters. Technically yes they are in fluff-wise, they are basicly just two boltguns put together which is what a combi-bolter is, difference is that some bright spark found out that if you ensure the wielding is done right and that if you make it one ammo hopper it's far better. adeptus mechicus researcher guy: 'my fellow adeptus, i have refined the combi-bolter' random adeptus guy: 'how have you done such?' adeptus mechicus researcher guy: 'i made sure wield it properly!' -several sounds of metal heads resting on the metal hand is heard- but seriously, why doesn't the adeptus astartes not use them? sternguard would have a lot of fun with them ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157022-2-questions-spec-ammo-and-storm-bolter-atsknf-and/#findComment-1836697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
feuer_faust Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Serious? Wow... that sucks. I wonder if Armies of the Imperium is more accurate in its verification. I'm tempted to call GW for this one. I wouldn't bank on that. It is notorious for being worse than Army Builder in errors, and is rarely updated. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157022-2-questions-spec-ammo-and-storm-bolter-atsknf-and/#findComment-1836704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
traxter Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 If you read the sternguard special ammo section its says "boltgun" not even bolter.. otherwise it would say any boltered weapon like the effect of bolter drill from Lysander does. Also if that were the case most people would shoot the special ammo out of the bolt pistol and charge with 3 attacks or 4 with kantor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157022-2-questions-spec-ammo-and-storm-bolter-atsknf-and/#findComment-1837272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekrulcinam Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Look up boltgun in the armory... Also, it's even pretty clear from it's intention: If you look at the profiles, they are almost all exactly like a boltgun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157022-2-questions-spec-ammo-and-storm-bolter-atsknf-and/#findComment-1838170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 not to mention that army builder didn't get what was posted "wrong" as the post contained the seperate entries for special issue ammo and the strom bolter. it was still the user's error to believe that the word "bolter" meant the same thing when prefaced by "storm" as when seen on its own. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157022-2-questions-spec-ammo-and-storm-bolter-atsknf-and/#findComment-1839919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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