smoadia85 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I have a question in regards to this thread, http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=149535 ://http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/...owtopic=149535 . I understand that codex explicitly says "BOLTGUN" for special ammos. But what about storm bolter and bolt pistol's description of being "a storm bolter resembles 2 bolters attached side by side" and "bolt pistols are smaller versions of bolters" ? I have a hard time explaining to my friend that only boltguns uses spec ammos and nothing else while he insists that bolters, bolt pistols and storm bolters r categorise under the collective terms "bolter" since they "uses the same ammo". Now my whole group uses his definition, including me :whoops: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157106-special-ammo-and-bolters-clarification/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 A bolt pistol is a bolt pistol, not a boltgun. A heavy bolter is a heavy bolter, not a boltgun. A storm bolter is a Storm bolter, not a Boltgun. A boltgun is a boltgun. "Boltgun" is a specific type of rapid fire weapon with 24" range, Strength 4 and Ap 5. If a rule is refering to a "boltgun", than that is what it is talking about. Tactical Space Marines carry a boltgun. They do not carry a storm bolter or heavy bolter at the choice of the owning player. Characters can carry a boltgun or can be equipped with one. That does not mean they get a heavy bolter, and storm bolters have to be bought extra, usually for more points than a simple boltgun. You should punish those who try to claim otherwise to be allowed to use no other "bolt" weapons than boltguns. No more bolt pistols for the marines, so less close combat attacks. No more storm bolters for Terminators and characters. no more heavy bolters for devastators or predators. They are all "boltguns" now. But it seems you are the minority, so perhaps convincing them that they are wrong is enough for now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157106-special-ammo-and-bolters-clarification/#findComment-1837596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I find the easiest way is to explain that boltguns use a different calibre round to the smaller bolt pistol and larger heavy bolter and storm bolter. The special issue ammunition is the correct calibre ammo for the boltgun only. GC08 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157106-special-ammo-and-bolters-clarification/#findComment-1837639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 There are a few ammo upgrades for various forces that work in more than one type of bolter, but you guys are correct, a boltgun is a bolter, a bolter is not always a boltgun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157106-special-ammo-and-bolters-clarification/#findComment-1837704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekrulcinam Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Simple OP... Look up boltgun in the codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157106-special-ammo-and-bolters-clarification/#findComment-1838168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
smoadia85 Posted January 12, 2009 Author Share Posted January 12, 2009 Although it's a repeat of what u guys said, i think i found a possible ans to end the debate...just maybe In the BRB pg 27 under "Type", it's very 1st line says "All weapons are classified as either Rapid Fire, Pistol, Assault, Heavy or Ordnance." Therefore, in 40k context, boltguns, stormbolters and bolt pistols are a classification on their own entirely (thanks Legatus for making that distinction). Logic grouping of the weapons is out of the window. Furthermore in the 4th paragraph it says, "Some weapons may be able to fire in different ways, representing different power settings or different types of ammo. Where this is the case, there will be a separate line in the weapon's profile for each." In other words, spec ammo is listed explicitly for boltgun is boltgun only. It is not explicitly listed for stormbolters, it is not explicitly listed for bolt pistol, it is not explicitly listed for heavy bolters (except hellfire shells for scouts). Period. Thanks all of the above for the contribution. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157106-special-ammo-and-bolters-clarification/#findComment-1840288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrike22 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Although it's a repeat of what u guys said, i think i found a possible ans to end the debate...just maybe In the BRB pg 27 under "Type", it's very 1st line says "All weapons are classified as either Rapid Fire, Pistol, Assault, Heavy or Ordnance." Therefore, in 40k context, boltguns, stormbolters and bolt pistols are a classification on their own entirely (thanks Legatus for making that distinction). Logic grouping of the weapons is out of the window. Furthermore in the 4th paragraph it says, "Some weapons may be able to fire in different ways, representing different power settings or different types of ammo. Where this is the case, there will be a separate line in the weapon's profile for each." In other words, spec ammo is listed explicitly for boltgun is boltgun only. It is not explicitly listed for stormbolters, it is not explicitly listed for bolt pistol, it is not explicitly listed for heavy bolters (except hellfire shells for scouts). Period. Thanks all of the above for the contribution. I was going to say something like this, a bolt pistol is a pistol not a rapid fire weapon, pistols can't rapid fire and you are an idiot if you try to make other wise. As for the storm bolter say that if it is assault 2 then the ammo would have to be different especially as it has a permanent 24 inch range. Sorry it was too late to help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157106-special-ammo-and-bolters-clarification/#findComment-1844201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelmage99 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 shrike22, you really shouldn't try to apply realism to a rules discussion. As for the storm bolter say that if it is assault 2 then the ammo would have to be different especially as it has a permanent 24 inch range. See? And on top of that you are wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157106-special-ammo-and-bolters-clarification/#findComment-1845677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 A storm bolter has 18" range.... GC08 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157106-special-ammo-and-bolters-clarification/#findComment-1846277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverneil Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 A storm bolter has 18" range.... GC08 A Storm bolter has 24" range. Space Marine Codex Page 99 and 144 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157106-special-ammo-and-bolters-clarification/#findComment-1846332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Doh....ive done it again :wacko: GC08 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157106-special-ammo-and-bolters-clarification/#findComment-1846341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverneil Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I think we all do at some time or another Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157106-special-ammo-and-bolters-clarification/#findComment-1846347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelmage99 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I wasnt that I was refering to, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157106-special-ammo-and-bolters-clarification/#findComment-1846426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Well, I did the search-fu and I think this thread is best to avoid making a new thread. I understand that Hellfire rounds are an upgrade to a Boltgun carried by the character. Fine. But what if the character buys a bike. Can the bolters on the bike have Hellfire Rounds? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157106-special-ammo-and-bolters-clarification/#findComment-1863117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Yes, it specifically says that a bike's bolters will be upgraded to Hellfire shells if you purchase both. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157106-special-ammo-and-bolters-clarification/#findComment-1863122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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