Kairos Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I was having a discussion with my friend about if he would play a chaos marine list with 36 or more plasma guns. He said no. His reason: It wouldn't be fun. It seems he has never played tournament games before - or even any competative games - so fighting an army with 36 strength 7 AP2 weapons is out of the question. The strange thing, though, he hasn't considered the cost of 36 plasma guns. It's 540 points JUST for the plasma guns. Also, on avarage, if all the plasma guns rapid fire, 4 marines will die to Gets Hot! in the first turn of shooting, so it's a huge points waste anyway. So, would this list work? Hell, would there be a way for you to win with it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157372-36-plasma-gun-army/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
night walker Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 get him to play the ig and see how many plasma gins he can take, and with the new rules for cover he should sweet anyway (btw what army is he running and what else is in your list) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157372-36-plasma-gun-army/#findComment-1840737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kairos Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 He's not running an army, it was a discussion. I'm just asking if it would even be capable of winning. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157372-36-plasma-gun-army/#findComment-1840751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Well I ran up a quick list to see just how many plasmaguns you can fit into a chaos list... I got it upto 45 plasmaguns using 1HQ, 3Elite, 6Troop, 3Fast Attack and 3Heavy Support choices!!! it came to a total of 2250 points.... Only one problem... a single landraider will be unkillable.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157372-36-plasma-gun-army/#findComment-1840763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kairos Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 What I'm actually asking is, would it be possible to pull off a win? Because it's not like all your plasma guns are in a single squad, which means at max, you're going to be having 4 shooting at you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157372-36-plasma-gun-army/#findComment-1840773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Well that depends.... it'll kill a termi army with ease, much the same for a power armoured army... FnP? forget it... We'll be back? Forget it (unless you have an orb.. cheesy crons), however against a hordes army.... not so useful, yeah you'll score easy kills, but since hordes get a better cover save than armour save, it'll not be a huge difference from massed bolter fire. *Edit* Almost forget, mech armies will also cause you lots fo trouble.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157372-36-plasma-gun-army/#findComment-1840886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackelope King Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I think you'd lose an average of two marines per shooting phase. Four if you rapid-fired ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157372-36-plasma-gun-army/#findComment-1840889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kairos Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 That's what I'm saying - my friend thinks it won't be fun (dunno why, maybe he thinks it's too competative), but he would easily be able to destroy this army. it's hardly competative at all. EDIT: Yay! Today's top poster! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157372-36-plasma-gun-army/#findComment-1840939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryjak Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I always thought it would be fun as hell to play an army like this... especially since half of the armies you play wear power armor. All you need are some higher-strength weapons somewhere to handle high-armor vehicles, and a plan for handling horde armies, and you'll be set. Transports aren't really an issue, as STR 7 can handle AV 10 well, and lots of STR 7 can handle AV 11. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157372-36-plasma-gun-army/#findComment-1840948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrike22 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 That's what I'm saying - my friend thinks it won't be fun (dunno why, maybe he thinks it's too competative), but he would easily be able to destroy this army.it's hardly competative at all. EDIT: Yay! Today's top poster! Fine i'll give the game a go, as soon as all the 'pissyness' goes away but, there is a drawback to this, if you play like that and build everything with all the plasma guns and then realise the army suck then you have just wrecked an army. As for the 'is it possible to win with this army' of course you just need to handle it right, just keep your troops alive and on an objective and have the havocs stay back and 'bring the pain'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157372-36-plasma-gun-army/#findComment-1841264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kairos Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 That's what I'm saying - my friend thinks it won't be fun (dunno why, maybe he thinks it's too competative), but he would easily be able to destroy this army.it's hardly competative at all. EDIT: Yay! Today's top poster! Fine i'll give the game a go, as soon as all the 'pissyness' goes away but, there is a drawback to this, if you play like that and build everything with all the plasma guns and then realise the army suck then you have just wrecked an army. As for the 'is it possible to win with this army' of course you just need to handle it right, just keep your troops alive and on an objective and have the havocs stay back and 'bring the pain'. Remember, I was having a discussion with you, of course I know it's a stupid list - that's why I'm not gonna do anything similar to it. I will let you know, though (this is just so you know) I'm going to have the 5 man squad as Plague Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157372-36-plasma-gun-army/#findComment-1841297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinholt Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 The answer would depend on who he was playing against. An army heavy in marines or terminators? As long as he has the mobility to get those guns where he needs them, he should do well. An Ork horde? Tyranids other than Nidzilla? Imperial Guard? Don't make me laugh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157372-36-plasma-gun-army/#findComment-1841347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrike22 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 That's what I'm saying - my friend thinks it won't be fun (dunno why, maybe he thinks it's too competative), but he would easily be able to destroy this army.it's hardly competative at all. EDIT: Yay! Today's top poster! Fine i'll give the game a go, as soon as all the 'pissyness' goes away but, there is a drawback to this, if you play like that and build everything with all the plasma guns and then realise the army suck then you have just wrecked an army. As for the 'is it possible to win with this army' of course you just need to handle it right, just keep your troops alive and on an objective and have the havocs stay back and 'bring the pain'. Remember, I was having a discussion with you, of course I know it's a stupid list - that's why I'm not gonna do anything similar to it. I will let you know, though (this is just so you know) I'm going to have the 5 man squad as Plague Marines. B-b-b-but there is not fun in maiming the already maimed. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157372-36-plasma-gun-army/#findComment-1841595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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