Redbaron997 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Hypothetical situation: Lets say you have 10 units, 5 Heavys and 5 Lights Heavies being: Greater Daemons/Daemon Princes/ Soul Grinders/ etc.. Lights being: Most of the infantry and such Would you choose to deploy them with about the same number of heavies as lights in each half of the army, or put all your heavies in one side, and all your lights in another. The advantages of a Stacked deployment is that if your heavies come out, most of your enemes anti-infantry is not very useful, or if your Lights come out, his anti-tank is not very useful The advantages of Balanced being...well balance, probably better for you to play with, but your enemy will have targets for his anti-tank and anti-infantry units. Which do you prefer? And if you prefer stacked, do you choose your Heavies or Lights to be your first wave? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157400-stacked-or-balanced-deployment/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I play a list just like that and always go for balance, the first half has 3 heavies and 2 lights, the second half has the rest. Thing is, the heavies aren't invincible to anti-infantry, so if they come out alone, they die. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157400-stacked-or-balanced-deployment/#findComment-1841138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
==Me== Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Definitely all or nothing. Dropping 2 Heavies and 3 Lights makes it easier for your opponent to focus his heavy firepower to wipe your Heavies while the rest go after Lights. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157400-stacked-or-balanced-deployment/#findComment-1841402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I'm playing with the Gawd based deployment more which ends up being more balanced, but if I went with a single Gawd army, I'd definately go with all big and all little. Just like ==Me== said, giving a mix of units tends to provide targets for both types of your opponent's gun. Going all big/little "hopefully" overwhelms their ability to handle that particular type. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157400-stacked-or-balanced-deployment/#findComment-1841469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Guys, unless all your big buys are soulgrinders then they can be hurt by S4 weapons, so even the base weapons of your opponent will be able to kill off the big guys. All the little guys might work, but even then balance works better, since at least your opponent has to think about it a bit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157400-stacked-or-balanced-deployment/#findComment-1841497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
==Me== Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 S4 weapons really don't mean all that much to T6, especially with 3+ armor and/or re-rolling saves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157400-stacked-or-balanced-deployment/#findComment-1841553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Yes, but if you put down five big guys, you'll be up against about 80 odd S4 shots, and then they do mean a lot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157400-stacked-or-balanced-deployment/#findComment-1841579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Of course it depends on how many big guys you can plop down. If you're dropping 4-5 at once, then chances are they'll only be able to take down 1-2 before they reach enemy lines. Those 80 S4 shots are a threat but in the end they'll only put about 3 wounds on a T6 3+ save MC which is not even enough to kill it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157400-stacked-or-balanced-deployment/#findComment-1841692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
==Me== Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 It's time for some math-hammering :D 80 S4 shots (assuming marines), hit on a 3+, so 160/3 hits (53.33), 80/9 wounds (8.89), and 80/27 failed saves (2.97) That doesn't even kill 1 DP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157400-stacked-or-balanced-deployment/#findComment-1841757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Ok, to be fair, 80 was a random number, I have no idea how many there would be, but I still maintain that balance is best. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157400-stacked-or-balanced-deployment/#findComment-1841761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Ok, to be fair, 80 was a random number, I have no idea how many there would be, but I still maintain that balance is best. Its the safest probably, especially if you don't spam MCs. If you had like 2 Soul Grinders and 1 Greater Daemon, those 3 units would probably not be able to absord enough firepower and you'd lose them all before significant backup could show up. Though if you have 3 Nurgle DPs and 2 Great Unclean Ones, those probably could survive a few rounds of firepower and live to tell about it. In my mind its the same as running a horde army or a Land Raider rush army. Sometimes you're going to win big because they're not prepared to handle that many of 1 type and other times you're going to suffer because they're nicely balanced . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157400-stacked-or-balanced-deployment/#findComment-1841767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
==Me== Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 The whole point of stacking your deployment is overloading your opponent's capabilities of dealing with the wave that comes up. I maintain taking a balanced list, but deploy it so you'll overload your opponent's capacity to handle big guys or little guys. If you do a balanced deployment, that makes life easier for your opponent. He's got light weaponry to go after your weak guys, and heavy stuff to go for the big guys. If you drop all heavy guys, he's hard pressed to bring them all down as light weaponry is virtually ineffective and he doesn't have enough big guns. Likewise for the small stuff, his big guns are ineffective and he doesn't have enough small guns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157400-stacked-or-balanced-deployment/#findComment-1841948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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