mightygoose Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Hey, my name is John and i am 20. I collected iron warriors from the day their index astartes article was published. That was the first white dwarf I bought. So i used to spend all my wages from my part time job on them. I had quite an impressive force (my roster could cope with games up to 5000pts ish with couple of left out units). i had 3 vindicators, 3 basilisks and a medusa mortar just for fluff. either way after some wicked battles on narsine and kasr partox in the eye of terror campaign i decided to concentrate on my studies. All my figures were boxed up and put into the garage for a rainy year. That rainy year was about a week ago. I went out and bought the new codex. OK, so now i have at least four imperial vehicles i cant use.(ouch). But they could have at least left the servo arm. I gave every aspiring champion one. now they are just for decoration i suppose. but i can live with all that. what annoys me the most is the changes to the chaos space marine command sprue powerfist. which now cannot really be used for IW any more. but all these things i can live with. I dug out this site from my list of sites i used to lurk at and decided to join up. mainly because i need your help. (btw that guy suggesting using the space marine codex to make an IW list may well be onto something). At heart i was always a massive fluff head. I had a fantasy roster for an entire grand company and back stories for all the company lieutenants. and i want to go back to fluff while i buy and repaint. In fact, im contemplating writing a novelette about my IW. so i need to check my fluff. How many grand companies existed within each pre heresy legion? Do we know how many Grand Companies exist within the IW now? Going by various bits of fluff i make it 9 in current use as of eye of terror honsou - storm of iron Toramino - dead sky black sun berossus - dead sky black sun assumption that maybe 2 more grand compaines present on medrenngard. Chaeron - Guardians of the Jataal warp gate - white dwarf Forces on Kasr Partox during eye of terror (2-3 grand companies) - white dwarf Forces on Narsine during eye of terror - not in white dwarf but being ver active on the EOT boards there was a major IW push during the campaign that needs a mention. so that puts it at 8-10 grand companies... looking at numbers... i cant find my copy of SOI so i dont know which GC honsou led.... assuming some GC's were lost entirely during the heresy... and the numbers most often claimed by IW players around here (little search i did) 1 - lost 2 - ????? 3 - lost 4 - ????? 5 - ????? 6 - lost 7 - lost 8 - ????? 9 - ????? as i dont know the number of initial companies i would continue, i want to build up a best guess fluff history. What is Peturabo Up to? he's not sulking :D as per fluff in white dwarf he is still pseudo active... commanding chaeron to open the jataal gate. and in fact appointing Chaeron. so i assume he i still pulling strings on medrenngard. Would peturabo take several warbands, reorganise them and bolster them into a full new grand company? i want to use that as part of my story and i reckon its quite edible fluff, thoughts, objections? Is there any post DSBS fluff published by GW on the IW that i dont know about? any and all help would be greatly appreciated... thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Is there any post DSBS fluff published by GW on the IW that i dont know about? Welcome back John. :DI think that Pertuberabo could realistically reform some of the Medrengard stationed warbands as he sees fit. No objections there. As for fluff, have you seen this topic ? (linky) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1842762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightygoose Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 hey, Brother Nihm, i had seen that topic but thought it was out of date as there were some references to the IW missing... the two that spring to mind are Issue 275 - IW vs Black Legion Battle Report, Chaeron & the Jataal Gate Issue 287 - EOT campaign results, IW on Kasr Partox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1842768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 It was what was in the WD database before it was rendered inactive. Question, are those two issues UK WD's? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1842774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightygoose Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 yeah sorry it is UK, I have no white dwarf after issue 300 so my resources are limited.... But i will go through my collection for fluff references if you want... maybe help update that list abit.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1842778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 If you have nothing better to do. :P Cheers, That would be very helpful. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1842785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 What is the Jataal Gate? Also Honsou did not originally lead a grand company in storm of iron, it was a character called the warsmith who ascended to daemon hood and then appointed honsou the warsmith. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1842930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightygoose Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 What is the Jataal Gate? Also Honsou did not originally lead a grand company in storm of iron, it was a character called the warsmith who ascended to daemon hood and then appointed honsou the warsmith. The Jataal gate is the warp gate Honsou used to return to the eye of terror, on Perdictor, Abaddon dispatched Black legion to attempt to stop the guardian of the gate Chaeron opening it for him. see WDUK 275. I have read Storm of Iron, Honsou being the current Warsmith. In other news, in my favour to brother Nihm i dug up some fluff on the IW in WDUK 268 that mentions Ferrous Ironclaw as the Warsmith of the 2nd grand company... and in the CSM collectors guide the IW showcase is 13th grand company however thats army not fluff... so i am not inclined to take as canon. In an update to the GC listings.... 1 - Lost 2 - Ferrous Ironclaw, 2nd Grand Company, Known last action, the sacking of the fortress archive on Auxesia, 4393597.M38 3 - Lost 4 - Honsou "half-breed", 4th Grand Company, Known last action, civil war with 5th & 11th Grand companies on Medrengard, date unknown 5 - Berossus, 5th Grand Company, Known last action, single combat with Honsou at Khalan Ghol, Medrengard date unknown 6 - Lost 7 - Lost 8 - Chaeron, 8th Grand Company, Known last action, Defense of the Jataal Gate on Perdictor, just prior to the 13th Black Crusade. 9 - Lost 10 - Lost 11 - Toramino, 11th Grand Company, Known last action, siege of Khalan Ghol on Medrengard, date unknown 12 - ????? 13 - created out of assembled warband remnants of lost Grand companies and new recruits from acquired geneseed stock. 14 - Olitica Mercas, 14th grand Company, created out of assembled warband remnants of lost Grand companies and new recruits from acquired geneseed stock. We also have the names of four other warsmiths: Honsou, Toramino, Berossus & Chaeron. (even though three of them are deceased, their grand companies would probably be operating under different leadership. unfortunately their GC numbers are not mentioned. EDIT- IW Index Astartes states approx 12 grand companies at time of heresy... assuming that as many as half that were utterly destroyed on Terra or at the defense of Olympia, then fill in the blanks... I just dont want to tread on existing official fluff before i fill in the gaps, other IW players on this site are welcome to contribute and claim GC's...(except the 14th - thats mine :wub:)(hence Olitica Mercas) leaving 12th and 13th currently unassigned.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1843546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lay Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 looking at numbers... i cant find my copy of SOI so i dont know which GC honsou led.... assuming some GC's were lost entirely during the heresy... and the numbers most often claimed by IW players around here (little search i did) 1 - lost There's a picture of Forrix as "Captain of the First Grand Company" in the HH artbook. What is Peturabo Up to? he's not sulking B) as per fluff in white dwarf he is still pseudo active... commanding chaeron to open the jataal gate. and in fact appointing Chaeron. The Jataal gate is the warp gate Honsou used to return to the eye of terror, on Perdictor, Abaddon dispatched Black legion to attempt to stop the guardian of the gate Chaeron opening it for him. see WDUK 275. Did Perturabo try to cheat Abaddon of the gene-seed the Iron Warriors captured on Hydra Cordatus? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1843654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightygoose Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 looking at numbers... i cant find my copy of SOI so i dont know which GC honsou led.... assuming some GC's were lost entirely during the heresy... and the numbers most often claimed by IW players around here (little search i did) 1 - lost There's a picture of Forrix as "Captain of the First Grand Company" in the HH artbook. hmm, Forrix was the Captain of the First Company of "the Warsmith"'s and subsequently Honsou's grand company... which makes sense as the first company are veterans and have access to terminator armour. maybe its a small error. What is Peturabo Up to? he's not sulking B) as per fluff in white dwarf he is still pseudo active... commanding chaeron to open the jataal gate. and in fact appointing Chaeron. The Jataal gate is the warp gate Honsou used to return to the eye of terror, on Perdictor, Abaddon dispatched Black legion to attempt to stop the guardian of the gate Chaeron opening it for him. see WDUK 275. Did Perturabo try to cheat Abaddon of the gene-seed the Iron Warriors captured on Hydra Cordatus? no Abaddon believed that the IW were too closely pursued by lackeys of the false emperor and that the gate would not remain secret... rather fight and die with the secret than let it become known to the imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1843676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 i cant find my copy of SOI so i dont know which GC honsou led.... The Storm of Iron Book dose not say what Grand Company Honsou led, however I have ask Graham McNeill to put one in his next book (he a good friend of mine). Also on that note you might want to buy Planet Killing, it has a short 50page store on Honsou & after the book Dead Sky Black Sun. There will also be another store story coming soon From warseer That’s cool...Storm of Iron tends to be the book of mine that folk seem to like the most. Tell them that Honsou will be back in a short story called ‘The Skull Harvest’ in the Heroes of the Space Marines anthology... And I know what you mean about Brothers of the Snake. It rocks. Cheers, Graham As for Grand Company, the Iron Warriors 4th Grand Company fourm had a list from it memeber (though pre-heresy it was 12 Grand Company strong). My own being the Iron Warriors 5th Grand Company since 2001 ;) :) when the Index article came out in the White Dwarf. The Iron Warrior Grand Company & there Warsmith. 1st:??? 2nd: Ferrus Ironclaw. 3rd: "The Iron Hammer" led by Demon Warsmith Cyrus Noxius (IronWinds) 4th: Iron Warrior 4th Grand Comany led by Danius Smithe (Danius Smithe) 4th: The Hounds Of Iron led by Janos Ironforge 5th: Warsmith Abhor'red (Abhorred) Riddick led the 5th Grand Company (Insane Psychopath) 6th: Warsmith Dreachon of the Iron Warriors 6th Grand Company "Iron Claws" (Dreachon) 6th: Siege Masters of Istvaan V led by Warsmith Takaga (Son of Honsou) 7th: Warsmith Drak'en (Killersquid) 8th: The Iron Berzerkers" Led by Warsmith Clavas and Lt Grakar (Nimdl) 8th: Iron Warriors 8th Grand Company, led by Daemon 'Prince' Prometheus, the Lord of Pain. (Blackcell8) 9th: Warsmith Melamorphis, of the company of close assaults (Lt L) 9th: Warsmith Kloran, Commander of the Legion of Woe, as it is known by many (Kloran) 9th: Marauder Legion, Led by Warsmith Lord Gorath (Lord Gorath) 9th: 6th company under Lt commander Kosu (Brother Vidius) 10th: Warsmith Hyun. (Dargaard) 12th: Led by Daemon Smith Addius (Grand Warmaster Pinto) 11th: The Un-Forgiven Led by Warsmith Thorix (Murphy) 11th: 11TH GC Iron Harbringers led by Warsmith Cadres Grendel (one of lord Honsous former LT's) (!Ownage!) 13th: =][= ++Exile, order by Lord Primarch Perturabo++ =][= 13th: Lord Eldrix' 13th siegers of the 4th garrison force (Eldrix) 13th: The Bane of Agrapinna, Chosen Warsmith Tetsu Shirekan. (Iceman) 13 1/2th 13.5th (read thirteenth and a half) Grand Company. (TopBanana) 14th: 14th Iron warriors grand company battle force Korask (Librarian melechor) 15th: "The Darkstar Titans" led by Warsmith Vladek Maux (Teh WarsmiTh) 16th: The Siegebreakers, led by Warsmith Corghan. (Kraull the Rampager) 17th: Led by Demon Warsmith Malagar Ironclaw and his Second, Gidron Kite. (Malagar) 18th: 18th company, led by Demon Prince Harlon, former Warsmith (Endemion) 18th: Led by Daemon Prince Cyrus Voladis, Lord Ascended of Furious Speed. (IronWarrior256) 19th: "Cold Metal Perfection" led by Warsmith Isaija (DGT) 21st: "The Engine of Hatred" Led by Warsmith Vathek The Patient, and His Second Groath'varr the Hate monger. (MarkusJ) 22nd: Led by Lord Tobias (immortal plague) 23rd: "The Iron Souls" led by Warsmith 101-o. (Gibby) 24th:"Iron Blitz" led by Warsmith Kyron (Kyron) 26th:"The Iron Apocalypse" led by Warsmith Ventris. (Chilly) 27th: Iron Warriors XXVII Grand Company, Led by Warsmith Ferrarius (konrad) 28th: "The Raiders of the Iron Hawk" led by Warsmith Vortrak Trem. (skotten) 29th: Warsmith Chalimir Vanithor (Warsmith_Iron_Claw) 30th: Warsmith Perdas Muire, "The Rolling Death" (Warsmith_) 32nd: "The Eternal March" Led By Warsmith Dragar Var Khargoth" (Khargoth) 33rd "Iron Friction" led by Deamonprince Azazel and Grand Master Ödipus! (Perturabo) 47th: 47th Grand Company (Commander Vash) 51st: Currently led by Lt. Ithar Vastitas, Warsmith non-present. (Yraen) 69th: Led by Warsmith Kel'Darich, Blight of the Eastern Fringe. (fearlessgod) 73rd: "Iron Skulls" (Trackr73) 83rd: Warsmith Raroth the Exalted 83rd Ex-Adeptus Mechanicus company (Ex-Adeptus Mech) 85th: "Koroths Own". Led by Lord Koroth. (Brother Felix) 89th "Iron Revenge" and led by Warsmith Kaesor (Rustygunz) 101th: Warsmith Lucius Maldrath "The Wings of Death" (Necromancer518) 138th: Led by Myrus Evercold the "Iron Lance, Duke of Dremnoir" 138th: 138th grand company (Matthew) 169th: Led by Minor God Drakos. "The Stone Walled Company". (Jackety) None Grand Companys: 'The Sons of Devastation' led by Ignus the Irregulator (Iron Warrior with Servo arm) The Tyrant Legion. Led by Warsmith Abraxus (Tyrant Legion) Hope this helps IP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1844165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 i thought perturabo didn't lead any grand company and instead lead all above the warsmiths. i thought Forrix lead the first company? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1844218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Yep a little mistake that I not had time to sort, just that the time the Heresy Book were not out & the info on there set up was limited. I also forgot to add in, the Apoclypse rule book has a Iron Warriors Warsmith who exile & join a Black Crusade led by a Word Bearer?? & that the Warsmith (can't rememeber the name) has some other chaos marines to his lot, not sure what legion or chapter though. IP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1844266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightygoose Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 @insane psychopath, is that a list of user grand companies... which white dwarf was that in??? how could forrix be the warsmith of the 1st grand company and then get demoted to captain of the first company of honsou's grand company???? chaos doesnt do demotion only execution for failure.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1844272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 @insane psychopath, is that a list of user grand companies... which white dwarf was that in??? how could forrix be the warsmith of the 1st grand company and then get demoted to captain of the first company of honsou's grand company???? chaos doesnt do demotion only execution for failure.... The Grand Company list is from the Iron Warriors 4th Grand Company site/fourm & the memeber from the fourm, not a white dwarf. http://z4.invisionfree.com/ironwarriors/in...p?showtopic=945 There a Bolter & Chainsword list kicking about as well with memeber from this site & there Iron Warriors Grand Company. Sons of Horus Posted Today, 10:57 AM i thought perturabo didn't lead any grand company and instead lead all above the warsmiths. i thought Forrix lead the first company? Forrix was a mere Captain, not a warsmith. Iron Warriors set up was a little diffrent where you had the grand compaines led by a Warsmith. Then you had smaller companies with in the led by a captain or Lt, think of it like a Space Marine chapter per grand company. The Iron Warriors were organised as a number of Grand Companies each commanded by a Warsmith. Originally each Grand Company would have had a similar organisation, totalling around 1,000 Space Marines. At the time of the Heresy, the Legion had at least twelve Companies, although with the widespread deployment of many small detachments of the Legion at the time it is impossible to be sure if this figure of around 12,000 fighting Astartes After the heresy Their current organisation is completely non-standard. A Grand Company will often be divided into component detachments led by lesser champions. A tendency towards operating in multiples of three has been noted.1 Iron Warriors are almost exclusively led by Warsmiths. A Warsmith is a high-ranking leader within the Iron Warriors Legion, seemingly similar to a Company Captain of a Space Marine Chapter. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Iron_Warriors So each Grand Company (orignaly 12 in pre heresy) would be Warsmith Captain's/Lts (Storm of Iron has Forrix, the guy that worship Khorn & Honsou). Then all your troops being roughly 1000 strong, but after the heresy they would have broke down a bit like all the chaos legions. IP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1844287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Guys, I read SOI just few days ago, and I have different opinion about Forrix, Honsou and Kroeger. In the Storm Of Iron everyone of captains is thinking about "his grand company". It looks like each one of them have own grand company. Also, there is words like this: "the Warsmith had not named Honsou as captain of the grand company, despite his utter suitability". Adding both it looks like there were 3 grand companies led by warsmith. Forrix was captain of first, but destroyed by warhound. Kroeger killed by avatar of Khorne. Warsmith made Honsou warsmith in the end. So Honsou have 3 grand companies, does he? Also, as for me, Warsmith is something like Commander of Space marines, not like captain. He is able to lead more than one grand company. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1844310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightygoose Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 Guys, I read SOI just few days ago, and I have different opinion about Forrix, Honsou and Kroeger.In the Storm Of Iron everyone of captains is thinking about "his grand company". It looks like each one of them have own grand company. Also, there is words like this: "the Warsmith had not named Honsou as captain of the grand company, despite his utter suitability". Adding both it looks like there were 3 grand companies led by warsmith. Forrix was captain of first, but destroyed by warhound. Kroeger killed by avatar of Khorne. Warsmith made Honsou warsmith in the end. So Honsou have 3 grand companies, does he? Also, as for me, Warsmith is something like Commander of Space marines, not like captain. He is able to lead more than one grand company. that is a point however maybe they are projecting their desires to control the grand company, and secondly an entire grand company of Khorne makes little sense in terms of IW.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1844317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 that is a point however maybe they are projecting their desires to control the grand company, and secondly an entire grand company of Khorne makes little sense in terms of IW.... Agree, but there was not entire company of berserkers. There was just a few more berserkers and Kroeger personally formed his "command squad". But it looks natural to have 1st Grand Company with Forrix in terminator armour and 3 land raiders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1844319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I forgot to add in, GW did Medusa V (much like Eye of Terror/13th Black Crusade battle) where Iron Warriors where included a bit. Before the Games Workshop site got updated there was a lot info & report with the Iron Warriors in it. My own been said among them when fighting a Blood Angels force. If you look for a memeber called PhilBrad (sp) or Prot they can also share a lot of Iron Warriors goodness info with you. They use to run a IW mail list on yahoo where Pete Haines was a memeber of. As for the Bezerker, I just belive (IMO) that they just banded the IW who like close combat... also like all people, xeno, etc... they where temp by Khorne for the amount of bloodshed or Khorne just use them as toy's only caseing that blood was spilled. As Iron Warriors use to get 0-1 unit of Khorne Bezerker :huh: But that just my though. Hope all this helps & forgot to say welcome back to the right path of the Iron Warriors :( IP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1844389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightygoose Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 Some fluff for my IW (forgeworld renegarde = ftw) Colonel Dendra Octan was a renegade, a little over a decade ago he and two hundred and thirty of the men under his command had decided they were fighting for the wrong side. For him it had been a very simple decision and there were two main reasons. Fighting for the Emperor, as a guardsman, was, he thought, rather deceptive. They had all been told as recruits that they would be saving the galaxy, and he had bought into this propaganda, they all had. It seemed after twenty five years of outstanding service, in fact, that guardsmen were nothing more than elaborately organised human shields for space marines. It made sense, guardsmen were significantly inferior combatants and outnumbered the armoured psychopath’s nearly two hundred to one in the grand scheme of things. He was sure many guardsmen had become startlingly aware of this fact before they died, but often not long enough before for them to act on this revelation. That was good, that was the way the “chain of command” wanted it. Dendra had decided to do otherwise. He figured that if he were always to be a human shield, why should he fill out reams of paperwork too? It seemed to him that his life consisted of Departmentum munitorium requisition forms and chaperoning his men to they’re death. Fighting for the forces of Chaos would be drastically simpler. He would know he was going to die, be strictly watched and face death for disobedience, but that, he reminded himself, was exactly the same now. What would be different is that he would have no paperwork what so ever, and this seemingly insignificant detail makes a lot of difference to a disillusioned career officer. His Second reason came to him in a moment of contemplation, desertion already firmly in his mind, he thought about what he was really fighting for. Officers in the guard were taught to order their men in such away as to make every goal either achievable or clearly not. That way his subordinates would know if they were being sent on a suicide mission or a routine patrol. Guardsmen generally didn’t like uncertainty, it distracted them too much. Looking objectively at the goals of the Imperium and those of Chaos within the scope of his lifetime, which is all he really cared about, he deduced the following. Forces of the Emperor are fighting to continue surviving, ergo fighting to continue fighting. Forces of Chaos are fighting to depose the False Emperor, Ergo fighting toward a target. Forces of the Emperor Declare war on every encountered intelligent species. Forces of Chaos are led by actual Gods. When considering those four facts his decision became so easy, it pained him to think how much time he had wasted. Right at that moment he decided that, at the earliest opportunity, he and whoever wished to come with him, would defer to Chaos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1849122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moress Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 There also Warsmith Manneus Drath, he controls the Daemon world of Brigannion Four (The Planet of Steel) Pg. 24 CSM Codex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1850433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightygoose Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 There also Warsmith Manneus Drath, he controls the Daemon world of Brigannion Four (The Planet of Steel)Pg. 24 CSM Codex i assume that's v4 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1850506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightygoose Posted February 6, 2009 Author Share Posted February 6, 2009 This is roster from chaos codex 3.5 and I have updated it to codex 4, unfortunately without the lieutenant entry some ranks would now have to be represented by the same statline :) and much of the character diversity is gone...(no more uber armoury) but heck Im going to carry on fluffing anyway. this is just the organisation, I will break it down into chunks for discussing characters and units on an individual basis. but for now an overview of the 14th grand company of the Iron Warriors, only the second full grand company to be created since the heresy and formed of elements of 8 warbands and additional new recruits coming from renegades, other legions and some from recently acquired geneseed. Ordained by Peturabo himself they operate as separate warbands and will only form up into Grand Company organisation in large engagements. anyway more about that later. 14th Grand Company Organisation Warsmith - the boss Daemon prince - second in command Champion of the Company - Captain rank but most accomplished fighter beneath WS & DP Warsmith's Honour Guard (40 men, assortment of Commander, lieutenant and champion ranked men, hand picked by the Warsmith) 4 land raiders 1st Company – Terminator veterans Captain, 4 commander rank marines - land raider Commander rank marine, 4 lieutenant rank marines - land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 4 Champion rank marines - land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 4 Champion rank marines - land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 4 Champion rank marines - land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 4 Champion rank marines - land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 4 Champion rank marines - land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 4 Champion rank marines - land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 4 Champion rank marines - land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 4 Champion rank marines - land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 4 Champion rank marines - land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 4 Champion rank marines - land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 4 Champion rank marines - land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 4 Champion rank marines - land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 4 Champion rank marines - land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 4 Champion rank marines - land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 4 Champion rank marines - land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 4 Champion rank marines - land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 4 Champion rank marines - land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 4 Champion rank marines - land raider 2nd Company - Tactical Captain, 9 commander rank marines - rhino Lieutenant rank marine, 9 Champion rank marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines – rhino 4 Dreadnoughts 4 Vindicators 2 Predators 3rd Company - Tactical Captain, 9 commander rank marines - rhino Lieutenant rank marine, 9 Champion rank marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines – rhino 4 Dreadnoughts 4 Vindicators 2 Predators 4th Company - Tactical Captain, 9 commander rank marines - rhino Lieutenant rank marine, 9 Champion rank marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines – rhino 4 Dreadnoughts 4 Vindicators 2 Predators 5th Company – Close combat Captain, 9 commander rank marines - rhino Lieutenant rank marine, 9 Champion rank raptors Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 raptors Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 raptors Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 raptors 10 Dreadnoughts 6th Company - Reserve Captain, 9 commander rank marines - rhino Lieutenant rank marine, 9 Champion rank marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines – rhino 7th Company – Close support Captain, 9 Commander rank marines – rhino Lieutenant rank marine, 9 Champion rank marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino 30 Obliterators 8th Company – Khorne detachment Captain, 9 Commander rank marines – land raider Lieutenant rank marine, 9 Champion rank marines - rhino Aspiring champion rank marine,9 bezerkers - rhino Aspiring champion rank marine,9 bezerkers - rhino Aspiring champion rank marine,9 bezerkers - rhino Aspiring champion rank marine,9 bezerkers - rhino Aspiring champion rank marine,9 bezerkers - rhino Aspiring champion rank marine,9 bezerkers - rhino Aspiring champion rank marine, 19 bezerkers Aspiring champion rank marine, 19 bezerkers Aspiring champion rank marine, 19 bezerkers Aspiring champion rank marine, 19 bezerkers Aspiring champion rank marine, 19 bezerkers Aspiring champion rank marine, 19 bezerkers 12 Furi Loricatus 4 Dreadnoughts 4 Defilers 9th Company – Augmented Detachment Captain, 9 Commander rank marines – rhino Lieutenant rank marine, 9 Champion rank marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 marines - rhino 10 Manglers 10 Manglers 10 Manglers 10 Manglers 4 Dreadnoughts 2 Machine Wraiths 10th Company – Siege/Fire support Captain, 9 Commander rank marines – rhino Lieutenant rank marine, 9 Champion rank marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino 8 Basilisks 10 Vindicators 11th Company - Siege/Fire support Captain, 9 Commander rank marines – rhino Lieutenant rank marine, 9 Champion rank marines - rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino Aspiring Champion rank marine, 9 havocs – rhino 11 Medusas 10 Vindicators 12th Company – Armoured Company The Ferratus Malefica 10 Dreadnoughts 10 Predators 10 Vindicators 4 Machine Wraiths 4 Defilers 2 Baneblades Blessed Guns of Medrengard The Unyielding Hierophant The Desolate Flambard The Wrath of the Iconoclast The Sigil of Interdiction The Ceaseless Abaser The Hammer of Decius for those who don't remember Fernex, the dark machine god (real obscure reference there) manglers are lesser daemons and machine wraiths greater daemons. furi loricatus are chaos spawn equivalent..... (translates from latin as armoured rage) the big guns are ideas.... only The Unyielding Hierophant has any sort of outline design. anyway when i dig my IW box out I plan to remodel and repaint my existing 8000pts as one of the warbands inducted to the 14th, specifically The Cohort of the Iron Beast. then start working on from there. I do not envisage amassing all the models necessary, although I intend to create as rich a fluff as I can. I don't know if any others have tried to create such in depth accounts of similar sized forces but hey. also note there will be no set timescale on which I will work on this so I could update three times in a day and then not post anything for three weeks, don't get mad, please, sometimes stuff just comes up, so consider yourself warned. Any comments on the structure of the Grand Company are more than welcome, its how I envisage one being made up, (sorry I am not a big fan of defilers). However any ideas and comments are more than welcome, you never know i may use them :P(but then again the overall structure is pretty well set)(don't be assuaged though, bring it on) enough for one post methinks... apart from the totals.... 1 Warsmith 1 Daemon Prince 1 Ironseer, 1 Company Champion, 11 Captains (all captain rank) 49 Lieutenant rank marines 98 Commander rank marines 177 Champion rank marines 86 Aspiring Champion rank marines 834 Marines 40 Manglers 30 Obliterators 42 Vindicators 40 Dreadnoughts 16 Predators 12 Furi Loricatus 11 Medusa's 10 Basilisks 6 Superheavy Siege guns 4 Machine Wraiths 2 Baneblades = 1472 models Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1871824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 The exact meaning of the warsmith rank has never been properly explained by GW. The warsmith in Storm of Iron was practically a demi-god who controlled 3 "grand companies" which would imply about a quarter of the Iron Warriors legion. Then you have all of the warsmiths running around Medrengard in Dead Sky Black Sun who seem to command far fewer forces. The point is, that the terms "grand company" and "warsmith" seem to have very little meaning beyond "group of Iron Warriors of indeterminate size" and "Iron Warrior that commands some other Iron Warriors" but as to hierarchy, structure, or even size we know nothing. Although this probably has a lot to do with the loss of order due to turning to chaos, warsmith is presumably a pre-heresy rank and it begs the question of what exactly a warsmith was before the heresy. As someone has brought up, if Forrix was captain of the first company and yet he was just an underling to "The Warsmith" even 10,000 years after the heresy, just how high ranking were original warsmiths? Either the artbook is wrong, or warsmith was some kind of special rank that existed outside of the normal chain of command and denoted being one of Perturabo's pals. Honestly I think all of this is just a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing when GW and BL authors write fluff and so you can just take it for what you want it to be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1871892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightygoose Posted February 6, 2009 Author Share Posted February 6, 2009 i take all the fluff that say that the legions are just rag tag warbands as propaganda, at the end of the day, many have homeworlds, many still have primarchs, they communicate and arrange black crusades... the fact that they could get such a large grand company together on hydra cordatus tells me that given the chance new grand companies probably would be inducted, because even the gods of chaos understand the need for communications and logistics... Some names... Warsmith = Arven Ostidian Gandha Daemon Prince = Plumas the Iconoclast Company Champion = Subponopango Prognatus 1st Company Captain = Kantrel Addo Crepusculum 2nd Company Captain = Jorah, Master of Swords 3rd Company Captain = Welyr Ironhound 4th Company Captain = Alaan, The Stalker of Magnot Four Zero 5th Company Captain = Glyx, The Eye of the Storm 6th Company Captain = Abbas Keyes 7th Company Captain = Thydkeae Territo 8th Company Captain = The Eviscore 9th Company Captain = Arcas H'ar-eay 10th Company Captain = Crim, The Scythe of Betrayal 11th Company Captain = Yarrod Falx 12th Company Captain = The Ironseer anyway more later... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157518-an-old-warsmith-returns-the-17th-grand-company/#findComment-1872198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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