Caleth Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I wanted to know if I'm reading this correctly. The specific description for Pedro Cantor says that "you trade chapter tactics for the Stubborn USR and all sternguard gain the Hold the Line ability. So does this require you to take stubborn to get the hold the line ability? Or does that come simply as part of taking Pedro? You know as I'm reading this more and more I'm pretty sure that is how it's required. :D But I'll throw it out to all of you to see if anyone has a different take on it. So much for Scoring Stern Guard in a drop pod with an OutFlanking army from Kor'sarro I really liked the Idea of simply saying ok I'm setup with an empty board, and having the ability to come in more or less where ever I want. :D And still maintain mobility. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157692-hold-the-line/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narthecium Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Well first off you only get ONE benefit from a character. Can't mix em up...so either you take Pedros, or you take Khan's. Don't have my codex handy but pretty sure that's how it works. Second off, if you take the benefits you get everything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157692-hold-the-line/#findComment-1845293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryJohnny Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Narthecium is right on this one. You can only choose the benefits/tactics of one special character & you get all of the benefits/restrictions of the character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157692-hold-the-line/#findComment-1845570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelmage99 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 First, you don't trade Chapter Tactics away. You trade Combat Tactics away for Chapter Tactics (if you quote a rule, please do so correctly). And any unit that previously had Combat Tactics now gain Stubborn instead. On top of that Sternguard count as scoring. There is no possibility of retaining Combat Tactics. Second, what the other guys said. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157692-hold-the-line/#findComment-1845657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Ok, I did a search in Official Forum and Index Astartes. The latter had so many pages I was not sure how to refine the question, so I am resurfacing this thread as it's title matches my querry ... According to the CF Chapter tactics, Combat Tactics are traded for Stubborn and Hold the Line. This makes sense to me. Today I was up against ulkan and Kantor in one list and told before the game that Hold the Line is an ability applied only to the Sternguard because of Kantor, not the CF Chapter Tactics. Thus, Vulkan's Chapter Tactics could be used over Kantor. THUS, I was up against 8 scoring units while Meltas and Thunder Hammers were Master-crafted. My arguement was that the AND between Stubborn and Hold the Line meant the USR and scoring Sternguard ability are both a part of the Crimson Fist Chapter Tactics, not seperate. Am I correct? If not, how? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157692-hold-the-line/#findComment-1922732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 You are correct. 'Hold The Line!' is part of Pedro Kantor's 'Chapter Tactics'. His Chapter Tactics rule explains that in his army, all units exchange 'Combat Tactics' for 'Stubborn' and his Sternguard squads gain 'Hold The Line!'. After listing those two changes, the rule then proceeds to explain that if more than one character with 'Chapter Tactics' is used in your army, you must chose which version applies. There is absolutely no ambiguity whether the 'Hold The Line!' upgrade that had just been presented the sentence before is included in said 'Chapter Tactics'. The 'Hold The Line!' special rule is then described separately from the Chapter Tactics entry, which may be the reason for the confusion. But there is no way to get that special rule other than by using Kantors 'Chapter Tactics'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157692-hold-the-line/#findComment-1922833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 You are correct. 'Hold The Line!' is part of Pedro Kantor's 'Chapter Tactics'. His Chapter Tactics rule explains that in his army, all units exchange 'Combat Tactics' for 'Stubborn' and his Sternguard squads gain 'Hold The Line!'. After listing those two changes, the rule then proceeds to explain that if more than one character with 'Chapter Tactics' is used in your army, you must chose which version applies. There is absolutely no ambiguity whether the 'Hold The Line!' upgrade that had just been presented the sentence before is included in said 'Chapter Tactics'. The 'Hold The Line!' special rule is then described separately from the Chapter Tactics entry, which may be the reason for the confusion. But there is no way to get that special rule other than by using Kantors 'Chapter Tactics'. trueth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157692-hold-the-line/#findComment-1922919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Thank you. That's what I thought. I decided to let it happen because I didn't want to get bogged down over one word and was pressed for time. Also, to just "git r done'. Time to have a discussion with the man. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157692-hold-the-line/#findComment-1923081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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