Sköll Khan Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Probably been asked before, but I can't find it... ...and my copy of the Space Wolves Omnibus and Codex [2nd ED] is 6000 miles away. (I'm an old Wolf looking to return to the pack, from when a Codex was a Codex and less then a £10) Who are the known (fluff-wise) Wolf Lords and the Great Companies? There are 12 (and the 13th) but how many have been officially named? Do the 12 include "the lost companies"? A Olker of Khan's Ferisan Stout for the best answer. On a side note... is "Wolf's Honour" a good read? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 NOOOO!!!! *wishes it wasn't -20 degrees Fahrenheit out side* if my book wasn't in my car.... stout is so good. umm. right now off the top of my head. the name current great companies, are in the back of my codex. i could get them tomorrow but i am sure you will get a better answer by then. they are not the lost companies either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-1845439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sköll Khan Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 We all know Ragnar Blackmane I found: -Igil Ironwolf -Kjarl (FireWolf) of the "fire wolves" and 10/11 Great Company markings... http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/7474/mybanner49700b74abcf5xt8.jpg http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/1260/mybanner49700be2ac600ay1.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-1845455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 We have: Logan Grimnar's Night Runners -Symbol the Night Runner. Harald Deathwolf's Great Company -Symbol the Ravening Jaw. Bjorn Stormwolf's Great Company -Symbol, the Thunderwolf. Egil Iron Wolf's Great COmpany -Symbol the Iron Wolf. Krom Dragongaze's Great Company -Symbol of the Sun Wolf. Ragnar Blackmane's Great Company -Symbol of the Blackmane. Sven BLoodhowl's Great Company -Symbol of the Fire Breather. Kjarl Grimblood's Great Company -Symbol of the Fire Wolf. Bran Redmaw's Great Company -Symbol of the Bloodied Hunter. Engir Krakendoom's Great Company -Symbol of the Sea Wolf. Erik Morkai's Great Company -Symbol of Morkai. Gunnar Red Moon's Great Company -Symbol, Wolf of the Red Moon. And of course Ragnar's company used to be under the command of Berek Thunderfist. All from the back cover of the SW Dex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-1845460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sköll Khan Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 Blood Claws, bring a cask of Ferrisan finest for Brother Vash113... So are there more then 12 great companies? or at least more then 12 wolf lords mentioned in Fluff? 3rd ED codex mentions another 2 wolf lords in a short story... "Egil" and "Kjarl" ...or is it to be assumed there is a high turn over of Wolf Lords, and with each change whole companies names and markings will change? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-1845472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Ragnar's Company is a good example. When Berek Thunderfirst was Wolf Lord it was the Thunderfist Great Company, now that Ragnar is in command it's the Blackmane Great Company. Everytime the Wolf Lord changes the Company takes on a new symbol and name to reflect the new Wolf Lord. Generally some symbols will be recycled faily often. As for the number, there are only 12 "active" Great Companies at any one time, though the exact size and composition of an average Great Company is unknown and hotly debated. The "13th Company" has several representations. Firstly the actual 13th Company is still tooling around the Eye of Terror hunting down the Traitor Legions. Secondly the empty space for the 13th Company also represents all lost/traitor/rogue Space Wolves over the past 10,000 years. Some Wolves may go rogue on their own or with a whole pack or perhaps several, sometimes whole Companies vanish either lost in the warp, turned traitor, gone rogue, or just wandering off on some errand or task on their own. All these are grouped together under the "13th Company" in the halls of the Fang. Oh and as for Wolf's Honour, well parts of it were enjoyable, not as good as the first 3 SW books by King but oh well. For any true Wolf I recommend reading all of the SW books just for posterities sake. And thanks for the ale :P. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-1845487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Blood Claws, bring a cask of Ferrisan finest for Brother Vash113... No ale on hand ATM ;) However, I will offer a flaggon of mead, humbly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-1846072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 There´re more then twelve active Wolf Lords atm. 14 namly. The twelve given you by Brother Vash, the WL of the 13th Company, WL Jorin Bloodfang (not sure for the translation of his name) and at least one WL of a "Lost Company", Jorin Bearclaw. His CG still fights at the Eastern Frings against the Splinter Fleets of Hive Fleet Kraken. The WL of the lost companies are normaly no longer listed with the SW chapter and normaly those companies don´t last for long cause they can´t replace casualties. They lack the technology to create new aspirants. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-1846102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 There´re more then twelve active Wolf Lords atm. 14 namly. The twelve given you by Brother Vash, the WL of the 13th Company, WL Jorin Bloodfang (not sure for the translation of his name) and at least one WL of a "Lost Company", Jorin Bearclaw. His CG still fights at the Eastern Frings against the Splinter Fleets of Hive Fleet Kraken. The WL of the lost companies are normaly no longer listed with the SW chapter and normaly those companies don´t last for long cause they can´t replace casualties. They lack the technology to create new aspirants. Where's the info about Jorin Bearclaw? As for Bloodfang he was the origional Wolf Lord of the 13th Company when they vanished, however it is not certain whether he's still alive, certainly other Wolf Lords of the 13th have been seen leading various warbands, it's not certain whether the 13th fights in a unified way still or whether it's fractured into smaller groups that don't work together. So we don't know how many Wolf Lords there are operating as members of the 13th Company. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-1846129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Where's the info about Jorin Bearclaw? As for Bloodfang he was the origional Wolf Lord of the 13th Company when they vanished, however it is not certain whether he's still alive, certainly other Wolf Lords of the 13th have been seen leading various warbands, it's not certain whether the 13th fights in a unified way still or whether it's fractured into smaller groups that don't work together. So we don't know how many Wolf Lords there are operating as members of the 13th Company. Jorin Bearclaw is from an old WD article about the Lost Companies. I can give you only the number of the german issue (WD 53, May 2000 IIRC). You´re right about Bloodfang. I mentioned him cause he was the last known WL and maybe he´s still around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-1846139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Where's the info about Jorin Bearclaw? As for Bloodfang he was the origional Wolf Lord of the 13th Company when they vanished, however it is not certain whether he's still alive, certainly other Wolf Lords of the 13th have been seen leading various warbands, it's not certain whether the 13th fights in a unified way still or whether it's fractured into smaller groups that don't work together. So we don't know how many Wolf Lords there are operating as members of the 13th Company. Jorin Bearclaw is from an old WD article about the Lost Companies. I can give you only the number of the german issue (WD 53, May 2000 IIRC). You´re right about Bloodfang. I mentioned him cause he was the last known WL and maybe he´s still around. Aye, he could still be alive and who's to say Jorin Bloodfang's Wolf Guard have all taken pieces of the great company into smaller warbands leading them as their Lord similar to the ones in the last novel. isn't it Jotun Bearclaw not Jorin Bearclaw? anyway the timeline I found shows the date he refused to return. http://www.ironhands.com/40time.htm "40,992 The VIII Kimmerian regiment, fighting orks on the eastern fringe, are assisted by Jotun Bearclaw's renegade Great Company, who refused to return to Fenris after fighting at Ichar IV due to the length of travel time involved" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-1846207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Where's the info about Jorin Bearclaw? As for Bloodfang he was the origional Wolf Lord of the 13th Company when they vanished, however it is not certain whether he's still alive, certainly other Wolf Lords of the 13th have been seen leading various warbands, it's not certain whether the 13th fights in a unified way still or whether it's fractured into smaller groups that don't work together. So we don't know how many Wolf Lords there are operating as members of the 13th Company. Jorin Bearclaw is from an old WD article about the Lost Companies. I can give you only the number of the german issue (WD 53, May 2000 IIRC). You´re right about Bloodfang. I mentioned him cause he was the last known WL and maybe he´s still around. Aye, he could still be alive and who's to say Jorin Bloodfang's Wolf Guard have all taken pieces of the great company into smaller warbands leading them as their Lord similar to the ones in the last novel. isn't it Jotun Bearclaw not Jorin Bearclaw? anyway the timeline I found shows the date he refused to return. http://www.ironhands.com/40time.htm "40,992 The VIII Kimmerian regiment, fighting orks on the eastern fringe, are assisted by Jotun Bearclaw's renegade Great Company, who refused to return to Fenris after fighting at Ichar IV due to the length of travel time involved" I think you´re right, Mav. I don´t have the WD at hand. Most the time i work from memory. I rarely use the books only if someone ask for the source. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-1846240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Who knows how many company's there are, and he still could get troops sent to him from Fenris if you think of it, they even could still be sending troops to the eye to support the 13th. Who knows...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-1846248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asterixlee Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Here's a fun resource if you're a visual learner: Warlords of the Fang And for a closeup of the Grand Annulus http://www.gobiel.com/sonsofruss/webpage/warlord.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-1848864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Thanks Asterixlee! That is just what I was looking for! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-2051062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Holy threadromancy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-2051077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battle Brother Loken Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Holy threadromancy! how so brother its only a day old :) You need more ale lad Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-2051155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Holy threadromancy! how so brother its only a day old :) You need more ale lad Mayyyyyyyyyyybe you should look at the original date on that one lad. A day....and 7 months? I am perfectly drunk enough to read dates thank you very much....now to find more ale to remdy that.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-2051176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bevulf Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Do you know anything about Harald Deathwolf? I couldn't find any information about him. I hope there will be more info about every Wolf Lord in the new dex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-2051183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sköll Khan Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share Posted July 16, 2009 My first post on the B&C after alittle lurking... This question was asked again recently, but I couldn't find "this" thread to link for them... not even through my own CP. I'm guessing Threadamancy was used by a mod to replace the newer thread with one with that had already answered the question. Maybe one day i'll find the thread about using Codex:Chaos for an (all) tournament legal 13th Company... but its buried somewhere in the bowels of the Fang The Mighty Skoll Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-2051459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 The 13th Company isn't traitorous. They have a more feral appearance for being exposed to the powers of Chaos, but are still on the hunt for Russ as they were tasked to follow the 1K Sons into the warp after being beaten back from the assault on the home world. That's aslo why their organization and lack of vehicle and heavy support is justified in the fluff. They've been cut off and lost to the warp, not lost to Chaos. A blank stone is left to represent the 13th company and all the Wolves that have left the fang in their quest for Russ and have not returned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-2051788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 The 13th Company isn't traitorous. They have a more feral appearance for being exposed to the powers of Chaos, but are still on the hunt for Russ as they were tasked to follow the 1K Sons into the warp after being beaten back from the assault on the home world. That's aslo why their organization and lack of vehicle and heavy support is justified in the fluff. They've been cut off and lost to the warp, not lost to Chaos. A blank stone is left to represent the 13th company and all the Wolves that have left the fang in their quest for Russ and have not returned. Growler, I am sure that he knows all that. He's talking about using the Chaos Codex army list to build a 13th Company army. If you don't take the Daemon's, etc., you can do a decent job of replicating the old Eye of Terror 13th company list by using the Chaos Space Marines codex. Several folks have done this with a decent degree of success; its the only way to get a bunch of Marines with veteran stats, etc. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-2051806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverwolf Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Yeh there was a topic on it, I think a good year or more ago now acctually, where myself (I think...) and several others (Beef amongst them I believe, was around the same time I helped him use a Nid dex to get rules to work with his giant wulven ;)) went through the chaos dex and worked out what to use and what not to use to come up with a "13th Co." army list that you could take to any tournament and acctually use. May of been around the same time we were working on rules for some "Valkyrie"... a female unit of Space Wolves, using SoB for the base models. Basically a IC hunting unit. EDIT: Or was it MaxDammit that made some giant Wulven? I can't remember... to much ale and to many bumps on the head while having drunken brawls in the fang :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-2052045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sköll Khan Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 Growler, I am sure that he knows all that. He's talking about using the Chaos Codex army list to build a 13th Company army. If you don't take the Daemon's, etc., you can do a decent job of replicating the old Eye of Terror 13th company list by using the Chaos Space Marines codex. Several folks have done this with a decent degree of success; its the only way to get a bunch of Marines with veteran stats, etc. Yeah, I was talking about a full "counts as" army. Though the latest Chaos dex is far more ridged than the 4th Edition, I reckon it's still possible. Chaos Lords = Wolf Lord/Wolf Priest Sorcerer = Rune Priest Beserkers = Storm Claws Chosen = Wolf Guard Possessed = Wulfen ...etc Mark of Khorne = Mark of Wulfen Mark of Nurgle = Hardened Vetran Daemon Weapon = Frost Blade ...etc the problem is that you need to take transports as you lack "gate"... not a perfect fit but good enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157711-the-great-companies/#findComment-2052056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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