Wolf's Bane Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Hi!! I would like to share this information I've read in the Warseer Rumour section http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178361 There is a rumour about getting plastic GK, not for this year, but maybe for next year. We'll see!! But at least, there is something new, hot to get, but is something! <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marid Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I'm not a fan of plastic minis. I know everyone goes on and on about how much better and cheaper they are. *shrug* Now, if FW comes out with a 10-man squad of resin PAGKs I'm all over it. Even a few different Justicars would be awesome. <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1847481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissia Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 If that's true, then the Sisters would hopefully not be that far behind. I'd really hope for more models, especially models with combiweapons and more helmeted models... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1847484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tchezzarus Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 That would just be awesome!!!!!!!!!!! Can't wait for it! If it's true I'm going to make myself an apocalypse size DH army : I dream to field a Grey Knight Redeemer force! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1847499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakehunter52 Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Oh goodness....yeah I saw this thread too. I was tempted to post it myself but I was hoping for a little bit more hard fact confirmation. But it is legit, Harry is a friendly insider who correctly let us in on the upcoming stompa release way back, the upcoming Empire releases and now this. But back to topic, I nearly burst a blood vessel when I saw this. :) It is pretty exciting! Because no way there would be a plastic GK release without it being accompanied by a codex which means more units in plastic. The speculation going around is: - PAGK - Terminators - Grey Knight Grand Master - New unit I most easily see the top three being plastic but the last being metal, similar to the Sternguard or Vanguard vets. But also this does mean that the Sisters will be soon to follow, so even more reasons to empty my wallet... :D However there is no actual rumors about the girls, just wish listing. But as far as when to expect this miracle, this is as far as releases go: Imperial Guard- May 09 Dark Eldar- August 09 Space Wolves- November 09 Necrons- February 10 Really, there have been no serious developments for the other armies and by this time, we will have the oldest usable codex. So really, it is far but not that far. Exciting times! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1847524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissia Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 yeah, unfortunately GW doesn't seem to want to advertize anything that isn't a Marine... they aren't even advertising Guard much even though they're coming out very soon. And when Guard do come out, they'll get a single month in white dwarf at most, and then it'll be back to marines marines marines oh and more marines. [/bittercustomerrant] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1847527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminatorinhell Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 roar I may buy some GK and turn them to the Crimson Guardians (they ain't chaos, just a radical chapter like relictors) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1847541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdeptusTerminautus Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 marid, i don't understand how you couldn't like plastic models, the paint doesn't need to be varnished, they are easier to glue, and you can model battle damage a million times easier. I have a blood angels army currently but im going to be proxying them as DH next week, because i just saw the epicness of the codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1847648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor =D= Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I for one hope they NEVER mass produce GKs. Personally I'm proud of my All metal army. ;) =]D[= Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1847798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marid Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 marid, i don't understand how you couldn't like plastic models, the paint doesn't need to be varnished, they are easier to glue, and you can model battle damage a million times easier. I have a blood angels army currently but im going to be proxying them as DH next week, because i just saw the epicness of the codex. I like metal because I really like the hobby side of the game. I love the detail, the heft, and the sense of having something worthwhile in my hand. Something that will last and be worth the two and half years I spent painting. If you appreciate the feel of wood pieces in quality board games you may see where I'm coming from. I started collecting Inquisition minis because they are far and away the best 40k or just about anyone else has to offer. I play Inquisition because of the wondrous variety of models available. My 2,000-point DH army has 20 PAGKs in it. I don't see the need for battle damage or super-posable options. To be honest, I wouldn't have started a 40k army at all if everything was plastic. I may not have started if GW's bits ordering system had already been cancelled. For hobby-minded people like me, that was a horrible move despite whatever business sense it made. I'll shed more than a few tears if GW makes plastic Grey Knights, but I'll be comforted knowing that eBay and Forgeworld will always be there for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1847821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I would much prefer metal as the level of detail is far greater and GK should be ornate. However the current metal PAGK are some of the most boring and uninspired sculpts ever. I'd happily exchange them for plastics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1847915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoremus Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I have mixed feelings about plastic GK models. PROs 1) Variability/converting I love to give most models a touch of individuality and not just in painting. That is why I seriously envy my friends playing SMs. Especially with the GK being even more a bunch of great individuals (think of personal heraldry) rather than a mass of nameless bodies, I would love to have more options to individualize their looks. I have converted a GKT model to a TechMarine and Cpt. Stern to a GK Chaplain (please, no discussion about there is no such thing as GKCHplns; he just looks awesome!) which was fun in the end but often a little frustrating spending endless hours and Dremel drills on the conversions as well as loads of money for the minis. 2) Affordability Making the GK a little more affordable (not using the word cheap as nothing is cheap wih GW), they might see their collector base grow. Let's be honest, even though you don't need a lot of models (let apart any "playability" issues) GKs are a quite expensive army to collect. Now, whenever I go to my local GW store or any independent retailer, the average age there is some 10-15 years below mine, meaning those guys (and from time to time girls) have to buy the stuf from their pocket money. I think I spent about 1000 EUR (~1300-1500 USD) alone last year and I wonder how many of those kids can easily do that. Growing the fan base could potentially though give our army of choice some more weight and attention with GW (wishful thinking here). CONs 1) Detail Yes, GW has made fantastic progress in giving platic models more detail, still they lack the ornate detail of most metal figures. And even for the new SM character miniatures and elite troops, they are using metal. If FW brought out resin miniatures, I would buy a couple, just for the fun of collecting them. Already owning a good 25 GKTs and 31 PAGKs, I don't 2) Value/feel Playing an elite army whose models are (suppossed to be) the best of the best, I just think the feel of metal minis brings across this feeling better. As for the Troopers, I would be more than happy to have plastic models that I can give some more variety. If I could wish for something, it would probably be plastic PAGK and GKT with FW offering body parts as done more and more recently (e.g., Red Scorpions). This would also help if GW decides to offer more weapons options for PAGK in an new codex to change their armament. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1847951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 If I could wish for something, it would probably be plastic PAGK and GKT with FW offering boy parts as done more and more recently Excuse me? Is that a typo? :blush: Personally, I would prefer FW to do them over GW. FW put so much more love into their models. On the other hand, having both would be even better! Lots of opportunities for converting . . . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1847955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krieghammer Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 That would give players a lot more to do with the models than just ainting them.. Have thought a lot about converting some PAGK, making them without helmets and give them caps!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1847960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kettu Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I posted a few responses there if you want to read them (Same user name) and I still stand by what I said about the combined codex idea and the prices. When I joined the hobby there was no plastic Sisters and when their update came they still had no plastics with a poor excuse about 'not being able to do it' (Heaven forbid should they do their jobs :blush:) and so, at this point I'm utterly pissed that it costs me a kings ransom to assemble my army. (I haven't even bought anything for my sisters since the price went up. Instead I'm focusing on my nice plastic filled Wood Elves and Empire ranks) The talking about being the honour of using a rare army, the feeling of holding a metal figure, shut up. We are not some great sect of players who have some greater understanding from playing with little dolls; we had the misfortune of choosing armies that GW would rather didn't exist and seem rather content on ignoring for the longest amount of time before it becomes a liability. The Sisters of Battle at this point need plastics and soon. And excuse me, FW? The biggest problem at this point is the price and the availibilty. Making any army FW only would help KILL it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1847976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoremus Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 If I could wish for something, it would probably be plastic PAGK and GKT with FW offering boy parts as done more and more recently Excuse me? Is that a typo? :blush: Sorry, was a typo and is corrected. The only concern I have with only FW providing parts is I) price!!! Kettu is absolutely right. The number of peopling starting a GK army will tend towards 0 (in words: ZERO). II) sometimes quality. As I wrote in a post regarding the new GK LR Redeemer set and a set of additional armour I bought before Christmas these pieces were probably the worst cast I have ever seen from either FW or GW. I had to do so much work with my knife and greenstuff to make it look somewhat right although it cost a fortune. Yes, I do agree that especially Simon Egan's models are simply awesome, but FW could improve on quality of casting. Don't get me wrong, I know that FW stuff is intended for more experienced hobbyists, but that doesn't mean they can let down on the casting quality selling totally misshapen parts for a fortune of money. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1847984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 The talking about being the honour of using a rare army, the feeling of holding a metal figure, shut up.We are not some great sect of players who have some greater understanding from playing with little dolls; we had the misfortune of choosing armies that GW would rather didn't exist and seem rather content on ignoring for the longest amount of time before it becomes a liability. Whilst I agree about the GW points, you could have worded that so much better. And excuse me, FW? The biggest problem at this point is the price and the availibilty. Making any army FW only would help KILL it. At least we'd still have an army list. ;) The combination of GW plastics with FW upgrades for those that want to do extensive converting would be better, like FW's Chapters of Legend icons/shoulderpads upgrades. GW and FW do not have to be mutually exclusive. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1848070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosk Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Why does everyone like metal for detail? Have any of you picked up any of the new plastic heros? or actually any of the new plastics? Most of them (vampire counts look awesome, and dark elf cold ones are so much more detailed then the 75 dollar blood knights, trust me, I was pissed cause I play VC and I was not happy when 3 months later another army got plastic knights.) I would love plastic kits to come out. I love converting and sculpting with green stuff, metal makes that hard.... If plastic GK came out I would for sure buy some. But, I have one worry about the price. right now it cost 55 bucks for the grey knights. Other termis cost 50 bucks. If plastic GK are made there sure better be A TON of bits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1848082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Any Space Marine character sculpted by Jes Goodwin from the early 90s holds far more detail than every single plastic kit currently available. The Assault Terminators are probably the best kit to be honest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1848159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakehunter52 Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I'm going to have to toss in my vote in with pro plastics. Really, I think the views that plastics can't hold up the level of detail are...outdated. I've seen plenty of the new plastics (from WFB mostly) and have been more than just satisfactory, they have been surprising. I dread every time that I have to paint one of my Empire swordsmen because they just have so much stuff on them and that makes me realize that they are not going to have too much difficulty bringing the Grey Knight from metal to plastic. As far as what Adoremus said about metal conveying a better feel of an elite army, I have mixed feelings. Sure, metal means business, it has weight and that translates to importance. It's weird for me to use SM termies because they don't weigh anything. However, I also do believe that the owner of the army conveys it's importance better than substance of the model. Many a time I have seen an amazing model that just looks...real and then I pick it up and feel how light it is. That person was able to convey his love for the model into it's conversions and painting so much that he was able to convince me of it's validity. And I think the same here, if we spend more time on the average trooper than anyone else, because they are that much important to us, that they will be able to see it and understand that our army is one that is, in a word, sacred, that every loss is felt heavily but their retribution will be even greater. That is why I am excited to see plastics, so I can better pour my heart into them. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1848165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I am happy with the current format to be honest. Multi part plastic kits for unit entries and then a selection of metal figures for the HQ and Special Characters. It's much easier to cut up plastics than metal, and seeing as we can no longer bit part order from metal kits due to GW's ridiculous Mail Order system now, it is easier to get plastic bits for conversions also! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1848175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I love the Metal GKT. I absolutley hate the metal PAGK. Lord of the Dance we are not! I hate them so much I've been (expensively, and much more so now you can't get individual GKT SB arms... Grr....) making my own PAGK from Plastic parts. And I love the way they look. Just need to mess aorund with Cloaks and I'm about done. Mark 8 Torsos / Tabarded Torsos (Command Squad Champion / BT upgrade Box) 'Crusader' Helmets (Same place) Various SM CC right arms Metal GKT SB Left arm Plastic SM Legs with no knee pads SM Terminator Groin Guards for Thigh Plates Plastic PAGK would be such a welcome sight! But then, so would a new Codex. And by the time I'll have to wait for both, I'll porbably have a whole army of home made Plastic PAGK. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1848221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminatorinhell Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 i would love plastic termies so I can give my Chaptermaster a hefty stockpile of those halberds Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1848230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissia Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Meh. Plastic Sisters would make them so much easier to paint... I'm not a great painter to begin with, but on metal models, it looks rather horrible. At least my plastic Orks and Guardsmen look decent enough, even if they're not even in the running to be considered to be put in Golden Demon, they don't look BAD per se.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1848651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 You know, I would LOVE a Bitz pack of GKT BC Halberds. You know the one with just the hand? Why they bother with those slightly retarded looking versions they gave the PAGK is beyond me. Who do I need to harrass via email to get this to happen? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157857-new-plastic-gk-in-the-horizon/#findComment-1849063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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