panbient Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 i know in the FAQ the vindicare can now shoot into CC - yes it's as cool as that. but that opened up a new can of worms tonight. so during a match i ended up with one squad being tied down in CC with a ripper squad with a single wound left. with about 30 gargoyles breathing down their necks ready to jump in next round. needless to say i REALLY wanted to be able to use the 2 flamers in that squad. so i spun my vindicare and took out the lone wounded ripper keeping those storm troopers and 2 flamers tied up. now the question is... does the squad that started the turn in close combat now get a chance to shoot since the lone enemy tying them up is now removed from play. they're not moving and flamers are assault weapons after all... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157877-vindicare-and-shooting-into-close-combat/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auedawen Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Well, they're no longer in close combat, so I'd say yes! That made me think of a question of my own now, does that Stormtrooper squad get a Consolidation move as the ripper dies to shooting? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157877-vindicare-and-shooting-into-close-combat/#findComment-1847735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdeptusTerminautus Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Well, they're no longer in close combat, so I'd say yes! That made me think of a question of my own now, does that Stormtrooper squad get a Consolidation move as the ripper dies to shooting? no because consolidation is only at the end of an assault phase, correct me if im wrong Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157877-vindicare-and-shooting-into-close-combat/#findComment-1847759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosk Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I would agree with you AdeptusTerminautus, since the assault phase never really happened, then the IST would be able to shoot (because it was in the shooting phase still) but no consolidation because that only happens after assault phase. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157877-vindicare-and-shooting-into-close-combat/#findComment-1848093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 That is correct... there are only 3 times at which movement may occur... during the movement phase (duh), this covers deep striking and outflanking aswell. During the shooting pahse (run forest run!) and lastly in the assault phase, firstly to charge into combat, and again to perform consolidation moves. So it doesn't matter when in the assault phase the unit performs a consolidation move, the unit in the above example cannot perform one as they are not in the assault phase and because they did not win combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157877-vindicare-and-shooting-into-close-combat/#findComment-1848177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaelion Hexis Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 there are only 3 times at which movement may occur Don't forget scout moves, for some, pre first turn. I would be of the opinion that, yes, they can shoot. They are no longer locked in combat after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157877-vindicare-and-shooting-into-close-combat/#findComment-1849995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I would say they can shoot, but I'm not too familiar with the rules governing shooting (stupid 5th ed., only just finished memorising 4th ed. :devil: ). In terms of fluff, certainly. Basically the troopers go to hit the ripper, but before they get the chance it gets shot dead. Being highly trained soldiers they aren't just going to stand there going "Duh?". They will start looking for new enemies and shoot them if they are in range. Unless you want to argue that they stopped and broke squad cohesion as one IST is sent back as an emissary to high-five the Vindicare. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157877-vindicare-and-shooting-into-close-combat/#findComment-1850622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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