a-nesuto Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 ok this is a annoying problem that i ran into during a game i played today against ork player. my Eversor assaulted a warboss and 4 nobs. i focused all my attacks on the warboss killing him. the nobs then kill my Assassin causing him to explode and taking one of them with him. do the nobs take a moral test?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157980-moral-save-yes-or-no/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I guess so, 25% casualties right? They certainly wouldn't take one for losing combat. I'm not too sure though, it's late and I don't have my rulebook on me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157980-moral-save-yes-or-no/#findComment-1848703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissia Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Oddly enough, they wouldn't be covered by casualties morale checks, as it says "do not count casualties caused by close combat attacks", ast hat's covered in Losing an Assault. HOWEVER! It defines "losing close combat" as simply suffering more wounds than they inflicted. Ergo, if the Eversor assassin caused more wounds than he recieved during that assault phase, he a won the assault even if he died. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157980-moral-save-yes-or-no/#findComment-1848712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 The 25% is for shooting wounds only... it doesn't matter how many die, if they win combat they do not test. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157980-moral-save-yes-or-no/#findComment-1848713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissia Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 What section does it say this, Mal? I'm working off of a PDF file here so page numbers aren't the same (I usually borrow a friend's rulebook when I go to a match) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157980-moral-save-yes-or-no/#findComment-1848714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-nesuto Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 the book says that a unit losing 25% or more of its models during a single phase must make a morale test. i know that units dont use the 25% rule in CC, but the nobs werent in CC anymore when the Eversor blew up? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157980-moral-save-yes-or-no/#findComment-1848731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 a-nesuto Posted Today, 02:01 AM the book says that a unit losing 25% or more of its models during a single phase must make a morale test. i know that units dont use the 25% rule in CC, but the nobs werent in CC anymore when the Eversor blew up? No, the Eversor's bio-meltdown will still count as a CC attack since you are in the Assault phase. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157980-moral-save-yes-or-no/#findComment-1848766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Whether the Orks would take a moral check or not would depend on the combat. If you assume that the Inquisitorial player also had a squad of Storm Troopers in combat with the Orks, it's theoretically possible the Eversor's bio-meltdown could've killed an Ork. Then some of the (surviving) Storm Troopers might be able to attack. The wounds the Eversors caused (in life and death) would go towards the assault totals. However, if it was just the Eversor in combat, after the Eversor exploded the rules on Page 39 would seem to take precedence - 'Of course, if one side destroys the enemy it wins automatically, even if it sustained more casualties!' In such a case, the Orks wouldn't need to take a morale check as they were victorious. So I suppose the answer is - it depends if there's further combat to be resolved after the Eversor's bio-meltdown. At least that's my reading of the situation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157980-moral-save-yes-or-no/#findComment-1848775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Of course , if one side destroys the enemy it wins automatically, even if it sustained more casualties! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157980-moral-save-yes-or-no/#findComment-1848796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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