Asterixlee Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Many sources suggest that True Grit may be taken out of the new codex. It's absence from other 5th edition rules alone leads to that possible conclusion. I'm new, so i'm not exactly sure how absent it is. I'm part way through assembling my first pack of Grey Hunters, but I wonder if i'm going to have to do a bunch of converting if the new codex arrives without TG. I suppose I could simply let my opponent know that all the bolters in my pack are really BPs, but i'd like the opinions of some people who are wondering the same thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korhal Ragingspirit Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I have the same problem. My Grey Hunters(25+) have a Bolter and a Chainsword in each hand. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1848868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Most likely what will happen is Grey Hunters will be armed like Chaos Space Marines. With a Bolter, Bolt Pistol, and CCW. This allows them similar capabilities as having True Grit but without the need for the special rule, while Blood Claws will likely keep their normal CCW & BP setup. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1848872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asterixlee Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 I suppose I may as well nip this in the bud...I only have four GH put together so far, all with bolters, two wielding chainswords at the same time. But I really want them to keep true grit for the wolves... Bah, I don't want to swing either way Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1848873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgroenier Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Most likely what will happen is Grey Hunters will be armed like Chaos Space Marines. With a Bolter, Bolt Pistol, and CCW. This allows them similar capabilities as having True Grit but without the need for the special rule, while Blood Claws will likely keep their normal CCW & BP setup. I think this will be better in that if you have a chance to charge and not be charged you have flexibility of both weapons. With "true grit" a charge move is not preferred to just shooting and letting a player charge you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1848878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asterixlee Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 So in the event that our GH are armed like the chaos marines, I won't really have to do any conversion? Just as long as I make it clear to my opponent that they aren't shooting bolters as they close for CC? I'm worried about my GH with bolters and chainswords both. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1848889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 So in the event that our GH are armed like the chaos marines, I won't really have to do any conversion? Just as long as I make it clear to my opponent that they aren't shooting bolters as they close for CC? I'm worried about my GH with bolters and chainswords both. No need to worry, in any event the chainswords can be just for aesthetics, however the rules end up working out your Grey Hunters are fine. I have some with chainswords, some without, it doesn't really matter that much. Like the CSM when their rules got changed you don't have to have all the CCW & BP's represented on the models as the models aren't supplied that way, if you do well... kudos to you. :up: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1848898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asterixlee Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 I guess all that still worries me is that the Grey Hunters with chainswords are holding Bolters in one hand Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1848913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Remember EVERYONE is equipped with a close combat weapon. If we lose true grit your models wont be invalidated, nor will mine. Itll suck from an effect point of veiw.... as I like the extra attack. But it wont change our looks any. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1848914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I guess all that still worries me is that the Grey Hunters with chainswords are holding Bolters in one hand Why would that matter? A Storm Bolter is technically a two handed weapon but aside from Sisters do you see anyone holding the thing two handed? I think not. It really isn't important whether they're holding the bolters one handed or two. Heck you can represent True Grit with a Bolter held two handed with a bayonet attatched. Don't worry so much. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1848924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asterixlee Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 So by that statement I could put together an army of smurfs, each with a bolter (not bolt pistol) in one hand and a CC weapon in the other hand and I wouldn't get funny looks or have to explain what's actually going on in my squads because True Grit doesn't apply to smurfs and my opponents will assume that I just wanted them to look that way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1848926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 So by that statement I could put together an army of smurfs, each with a bolter (not bolt pistol) in one hand and a CC weapon in the other hand and I wouldn't get funny looks or have to explain what's actually going on in my squads because True Grit doesn't apply to smurfs and my opponents will assume that I just wanted them to look that way. That's how it should work. Heck you could have knives coming out of shoulder pads to represent cc weapons, Bolt Pistols built into Chainsword grips aka Gunblades, you could have bolters mounted on shoulder harnesses like Predator's, as long as the gear is WYSIWYG your fine and by the rules everybody has a cc weapon of some kind unless they have a pistol which "replaces" the cc weapon unless they are also specifically mentioned as having one and a pistol. Course there are aways idiots you may have to explain it too anyway but that happens regardless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1848949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asterixlee Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 Well thanks for all of the reassurances my brothers. Back to glue and green stuff.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1849437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 In addition you can always pop off the Bolter and glue on a Bolt Pistol, and then you would be looking all squared away again. WG Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1849476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asterixlee Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 Right, but i'd still consider that to be conversion to some extent. Gotta go through my troops and doctor them...paint the pistols...yeesh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1849634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Right, but i'd still consider that to be conversion to some extent. Gotta go through my troops and doctor them...paint the pistols...yeesh. Don't feel bad, I had to rip off 12 Plasma Pistols from Assault Marines in THREE armies and replace them with bolt pistols when the new C:SM came out.... grr... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1849830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Well even if they take away True Grit and you have them with a Bolter in one hand and Chainsword in the other who says they are firing the Bolter while using the Chainsword in close combat? I always try to get a Chainsword in one hand when I can as it just looks more dynamic especially for Space Wolves....one of the heaviest CC SM armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1850129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
13thWarrior Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 IMHO ... I am going to model how I want to model! Don't get me wrong ... I'm not THAT GUY who models bolters upside down or shooting plasma gun and melta gun or Assault troops with Heavy Weapons ... . . . I have modelled two pistols on that Death Watch Sgt who is outnumbered! I have a friend who has THREE Battle Companies!!! He formed an original Chapter (very similar to 13th Company) which utilizes wargear, armour, and weapons from Space Marines (and CSM as well). These are modelled fantastic and have a black/white/silver colour scheme with lots of dags and lightning bolts. However a large number of these are modelled with True Grit (from the former Codex allowing SpaM to have traits). They look awesome . . . but he leaves them in the box since they aren't (currently) WYSIWYG. Space Wolves are and have always been very independent and unique. I agree that Grey Hunters can be modelled very uniquely with bolter and ccw! If they change this rule (and then change Grey Knights as well) hopefully there will be new awesome models that I can convert, model and paint (only my bank account would feel bad!) and my current packs can enjoy some R & R! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1850387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 If they change this rule (and then change Grey Knights as well) hopefully there will be new awesome models that I can convert, model and paint (only my bank account would feel bad!) and my current packs can enjoy some R & R! Sad but true this is the more than likely the motivating factor to remove true grit, to,,, um let's say encourage the purchase of new models. WG Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1850412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 This codex is anywhere from 6 months to nearly a year away, I don't think you'll have to sweat it too much. As said, if you have to change it, just cut off the hand and replace. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/157991-true-grit-new-codex-and-assembly-dilemma/#findComment-1850926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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