kman Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I've just finished converting an AOBR dreadnought into an Ironclad with seismic hammer. Based on the CAD pictures of the Ironclad that have been floating around the net, I went for a pneumatic hammer look. However, instead of doing a cluster of smaller hammer heads as in the CAD, I went for a single pneumatic ram. It's been scarred up to look well worn. I'd appreciate feedback. Pictures are linked due to size. Picture 1 Picture 2 Here's the hammer arm modeled on an unconverted AOBR dread. Picture 3 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 i cant really be sure, but where the flamer connects to the arm, is that glue flush with it? or do you need to GS it a bit to fill the gap? i know you said the dread is unconverted, so i assume youre going to have a converted model made, But what about the hammers arm itself? you should add some more to that. IMHO Edit: Right, aside from that, Hammer looks good... cool pistons too. reminds me of like a meat masher from some game... which reminds me of the blood on said meat masher... i cant wait to see that thing painted (hope its bloody) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortsonfire79 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I have to agree about that gap...though I'm a big offender of it. I don't really know how this pneumatic thing is supposed to work, since those pistons will push it out..and hammers are usually striked down, not punched forwards. Its a cool concept, and I know you're following someone elses' idea...but I think that if that thing were to hammer something, those pistons wouldn't help, and would snap. Will you be doing the hurricane bolters too? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kman Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 Thanks for the response. i cant really be sure, but where the flamer connects to the arm, is that glue flush with it? or do you need to GS it a bit to fill the gap? I think I see what you mean, but it's actually just an effect from having such a large picture. The flamer is actually squarely attached to the arm. i know you said the dread is unconverted, so i assume youre going to have a converted model made, But what about the hammers arm itself? you should add some more to that. IMHO I do have a converted body for the arm. It can be found here. The right arm will be a set of hurricane bolters. I'm still trying to decide if I need to do much conversion work to the new plastic Crusader hurricane bolters as they already look pretty intimidating. Edit: Right, aside from that, Hammer looks good... cool pistons too. reminds me of like a meat masher from some game... which reminds me of the blood on said meat masher... i cant wait to see that thing painted (hope its bloody) Thanks for the compliments. I'm not sure that it'll be bloody, as it probably has spent most of it's time smashing into tanks, rather than bodies. :wacko: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kman Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 I have to agree about that gap...though I'm a big offender of it. I don't really know how this pneumatic thing is supposed to work, since those pistons will push it out..and hammers are usually striked down, not punched forwards. Its a cool concept, and I know you're following someone elses' idea...but I think that if that thing were to hammer something, those pistons wouldn't help, and would snap. Will you be doing the hurricane bolters too? I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Wouldn't a jackhammer be just as effective striking something horizontally as vertically? I'm definitely no expert here though, and don't even play one on TV. If in fact this is a technically unfeasible piece of machinery, I guess I'll just have to strike it up to being a fantasy game. :wacko: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortsonfire79 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Sorry for posting so quickly..but are those finishing nails holding the armor up? (And I think you missed my post) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kman Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 Sorry for posting so quickly..but are those finishing nails holding the armor up? (And I think you missed my post) Nope, they're pieces of brass rod inserted into holes drilled into the plasticard, then filed down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortsonfire79 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Ohh, okay. (and I still think you missed my post, or you're just ignoring it #3) I"M STOPPING THE HIJACKING.,...now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kman Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 Ohh, okay. (and I still think you missed my post, or you're just ignoring it #3) I"M STOPPING THE HIJACKING.,...now. Umm, I replied to it. #5 above. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Andrecus Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Cool conversion! I think the word you're looking for is jackhammer, Shorts... Not quite a hammer per se, but still... Also, this thing is pretty rad. The Ironclad body looks good. Simple, but still cool. The arm looks excellent as well. One thing I had some trouble with, the scratches on the hammer head make it look a bit like a fingered hand... Just vaguely though. Also, that's really only nit-picking. I think it makes it look good actually. More realistic. Just a little too hand-like. Other than that, great job, nice conversion, two thumbs up! :wacko: ;) I do believe you've inspired me to make my little lone AoBR Dready into an Ironclad. (That should teach those nasty Fusion Guns to stay away from him!!!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 thats what i wanted to see as a conversion. sir, that is EXACTLY how i imagined it. youve "Nailed" it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T14 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 VERY cool conversion ;). Reminds me abit of a Khador marauder from the warmachine game. If it was me, I'd shorten the piston section by a millimeter or two, to better balance the heft of the hammer head. im loving it. looking forward to the finished conversion - T14 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 looks great. nice conversion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuriousFerret Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I really like your conversion. In and of itself it is excellent modelling. The wear and tear on the hammer head is masterful. But I can't help think, "how does the dread swing that hammer?" It's on the end of a very long stick which points downwards at an angle. Unlike a Dread fist, which is designed to reach, grab, and crush, and therefore suffers less from the traditionally stubby arms of a dreadnought, the seismic hammer must *IMPACT* at high speed to do its work. It needs room to swing, and I don't think your conversion shows such movement. Unless of course you intend for it to jerk straight up and down, like a steam hammer? THAT'd be very effective at flattening things! (in light of the above concerns, I intend to model my own seismic hammer as an piston mounted in an underslung barrel on a swivel - I don't know if you can picture it?) EDIT: Templar14's link conveys my argument better than any words could: VERY cool conversion ^_^. Reminds me abit of a Khador marauder from the warmachine game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironblood Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 very cool conversion, that is how the seismic hammer should look. its not a giant sledge for smashing infantry as some seem to think, its made for breaching bunkers etc ala hydraulic/jackhammer style. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoKrush Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I am going with a piston based attack as well with mine... http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=155415 I really like the hammer bit you used... I might have to steal it. I've been thinking of going with a drill, which would make it more of a horizontal drill press in my case. I am seriously tempted to steal your hammer tip though it is very well done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kman Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 VERY cool conversion :tu:. Reminds me abit of a Khador marauder from the warmachine game. If it was me, I'd shorten the piston section by a millimeter or two, to better balance the heft of the hammer head. im loving it. looking forward to the finished conversion - T14 A Khador Marauder? I have no idea what you might be referring to. :yes: Actually, once I knew that I wanted it to be a jackhammer, the Marauder was definitely used as a reference. Real jackhammers have very skinny chisel heads, and wouldn't convey the brute force that the ram on the Marauder does. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kman Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 I really like your conversion. In and of itself it is excellent modelling. The wear and tear on the hammer head is masterful. But I can't help think, "how does the dread swing that hammer?" It's on the end of a very long stick which points downwards at an angle. Unlike a Dread fist, which is designed to reach, grab, and crush, and therefore suffers less from the traditionally stubby arms of a dreadnought, the seismic hammer must *IMPACT* at high speed to do its work. It needs room to swing, and I don't think your conversion shows such movement. Unless of course you intend for it to jerk straight up and down, like a steam hammer? THAT'd be very effective at flattening things! As a few people have noted, it's not a hammer as in the type that you use to drive nails by hand, but rather a piston powered jackhammer. You're absolutely correct that a primitive hammer head requires high speed impact to truly be effective, and the configuration of a dread's arms are just not conducive to getting that kind of motion. A jackhammer, which instead relies only on the force generated by the pistons, doesn't require that sort of articulation to be effective. I also just didn't like the image of my Ironclad flailing about with a hammer as much as I liked the idea of it charging into the side of a Land Raider, ramming the hammer head forward and buckling the tank's armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormDragon Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Very cool looking conversion. I like the fact that you haven't modelled it as a big sledgehammer, rather as a pneumatic hammer. :yes: My only criticism would be the same as Templar14, to shorten the pistons slightly, but that is a very minor crit. :tu: How did you make the hammer head, or is just a bit lump of plastic you carved into shape? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kman Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 Very cool looking conversion. I like the fact that you haven't modelled it as a big sledgehammer, rather as a pneumatic hammer. :yes: My only criticism would be the same as Templar14, to shorten the pistons slightly, but that is a very minor crit. :tu: How did you make the hammer head, or is just a bit lump of plastic you carved into shape? Thanks. I agree about the length of the pistons. Though it makes sense that they'd be extended that far at some point, it makes the arm look a bit unwieldy. Unfortunately, trying to shorten them now would likely lead to me accidentally mangling the thing to the point that I had to start over. Glad it's only a minor crit. :teehee: The hammer head was built up from a skeleton of thick plasticard in a T shape, thin plasticard glued on to make the sides of the wedge, and the gaps between the sides and the skeleton filled with scrap plasticard tubing and 2 part epoxy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rindaris Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I personally love it. I've been toying with the idea of making a custom Ironclad and might have to steal this idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1853985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulson games Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Long before I saw the prototype pic of the seismic hammer my brother and I were trying to decided what it looked like, if it were just a huge hammer power weapon or if it were some sort of piston punching hammer. To us it seemed more likely to be a punching hammer that relies on impact/vibration to carve through the enemy. There's a number of rock and concrete "hammers" used in construction that are a combination of a drill and jackhammer that pounds at the concrete at the same time it drills. Not the most efficient weapon for swirling combat IMO, but against heavy armor and building structures it would tear through it provide you had a chance to bear down on it. We'd also thought about the marauder design and thought it'd be easy to convert a hammer by bits-bashing it's arms onto the ironclad. As far as how it'd use the hammer in combat it wouldn't swing the weapon like a sword, it's lean into the target using the "hammer" like a large drill/jackhammer, the pistons extend shoot the arm straight forward like a jackhammer instead of swinging it. It would repeatedly retract and extend again at lightning speed literally pounding it's way through whatever it was hitting, hence the term hammer. The pistons can be almost as long as the arm that houses them giving it a decent reach, as the arm length would probably be able to extend to twice it's normal length. It's not a flailing type weapon but more of a precise stabbing type weapon. Anyways when we saw the pic on a google search it kinda confirmed our thoughts that it was a punching ram/piston hammer as opposed to a giant maul hammer. If a big giant hammer were used on it akin to an oversized thunder hammer, we thought it'd be cool to have a rocket driven hammer much like the maul hammer used in the battle angel anime, that when swung the ramjets would fire delivering additional massive impact with the swing. piston hammer look: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1854019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Andrecus Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I like the rocket propelled hammer idea... Remember though, the description is "Seismic Hammer". That involves something having to do with the ground.... Of course, given GW's over-the-top-name-syndrome, they probably just said "Oh, Seismic hammer sounds great! We'll go with that!" As for the rocket propelled thing, I think it would work very nicely for a jackhammer type hammer too. Like, on the first strike, the rockets fire, making the initial blow much stronger and softening the armor, allowing successive blows to do more damage. I like it! I do believe I'm going to make an Ironclad sometime in the near future... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158324-ironclad-seismic-hammer/#findComment-1854754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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