R34PER Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Greetings!! I have recently started playing 40k again and have come back to the wolves again as usual :P Anyway, a friend got me a box of Grey Knights for xmas and I have only just started to look at them, after eventually tracking down the rules for them (Demon Hunters Codex) I can find no reference to our ability to use them although my friend was assured by our local GW staff that they could be used as an elite choice?!? Can anyone confirm or deny this? Cheers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158392-grey-knights/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAVAAR Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 You can use them as an allied choice. To do this with the SW's you must take ALL compulsive slots on the Force Org. This means that once you have taken your minimum 1 HQ and 2 Troop choices you can add Demon Hunters. (NOTE: Because of our "must take one HQ for each 750 pts rounding up" rule there is a debate as to whether you can take a HQ Demon Hunter or not. Best option is to make sure your tournament organizer or opponent agrees to allow this, so if you do bring one roster with only SW HQ's and another with your DH HQ) Once you have taken this minimum you may take any of these DH as an allied choice: 0-1 HQ 0-2 Troop 0-1 Elite 0-1 Fast attack NO Heavy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158392-grey-knights/#findComment-1854402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 TAVAAR is mostly correct. Space Wolves can take GK allies from C:DH, they just can't take HQ slots from them. That's because the Retinues rule says that each HQ is mandatory per 750pts, and Ally rules say mandatory choices must be made from the parent Codex (C:SW in this case). So you could take GKT, PA GK, =][= Storm Troopers, ect as long as the Troops and HQ's were Space Wolves. Cheers with using them in battle! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158392-grey-knights/#findComment-1854531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAVAAR Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Space Wolves can take GK allies from C:DH, they just can't take HQ slots from them. That's because the Retinues rule says that each HQ is mandatory per 750pts, and Ally rules say mandatory choices must be made from the parent Codex (C:SW in this case). As I stated this rule has been debated and as our (both for me) are old, it makes for good arguments on both sides. (One big one for being able to take the DH HQ is that in the Retinues Rule it does says "Instead a Space Wolves Army must have exactly one HQ for every 750 Point in the Army, rounding fractions up." As it does not specifically state that the HQ that must be included must also be a SW there is some interpretation leeway. Argument against this is that SW HQ's are assumed.) I checked on this rule with a district big wig and was told that there is no absolute ruling on this, and thus no FAQ, and that it is up to your game organizer/judge for tourny's and your opponent for casual if you want to take the HQ. So make two rosters and ask when you play. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158392-grey-knights/#findComment-1855805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 I agree that there is still debate on it, but there really shouldn't. It's pretty clear cut, "ANY compulsory choices (such as the one HQ and two Troops choices in a standard mission) must be fulfilled from the 'parent' list and not the Daemonhunters list. There is no room for error, even if the SW codex doesn't say they have to be SW HQ's the DH codex clearly states they must be from C:SW. Take this to any RTT, or any other credible tournament and they point you to this rule. For friendly games it makes no sense either, the HQ's for the wolves are there to lead their men, no way wolves would be under the direction of an inquisitor. If you really want that assassin or whatever, then either play vanilla marines or daemonhunters. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158392-grey-knights/#findComment-1855962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R34PER Posted April 26, 2009 Author Share Posted April 26, 2009 Well I took them back and changed them for other suff, dont want allies, just want wolves! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158392-grey-knights/#findComment-1967796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 And theres nothing wrong with that. Just a note though, there are a few fairly cool battles weve had beside GKs before, covering there buts while they banished greater demons that were leading world/system wide incursions against the imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158392-grey-knights/#findComment-1967993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Grey Mage speaks true, as usual. The Wolves and the Emperors Knights have fought many a battle shoulder to shoulder, and we count them as firm allies - most notably at the First (the Proper) War of Armeggdon - Grimnars first real test as Great Wolf. Staring down a Fallen Primarch. Yeah, stick that in your pipe, Calgar, Azereal, Kantor et al. (Dante I'll acknowledge as being as good as Grimnar. 1100 years is a long time, even for a Wolf) Back On Topic - I used to use GK's with the Wolves, but to be honest I don't really think in a 1500-2000pts battle they really complement us particularly well. They work best as a stand off shooting unit, that packs a punch in CC. Sort of like GH's, but a little better in most respects. Unfortunately, not better enough to warrant the extra 7pts, that we are already hard pressed to find room for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158392-grey-knights/#findComment-1968094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel hurricane Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 hi there from Italy, that's a useful topic since i purchased an entire army (SM, SW, DH ) from a friend . there are pieces from DH including 3 GK terminators and little more, SW and SM are in great numbers, 2 rhino , 1 dreadnaught, 1 predator, 1 vindicator and more... just to know better, it is possible to include pure SM troops in an SW army? i'm basically a WFB player i'm very new to 40k. thanx !! i didn't found a section where to present myself let me know where it is in case ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158392-grey-knights/#findComment-1969115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Welcome to the Fang Steel Hurricane. No... you cant use normal SMs in a SW force. Itd be like putting high elves in an empire army, or beastmen in a daemons army. DHs can be used in either army though, similar to a regiment of renown/dogs of war unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158392-grey-knights/#findComment-1969120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel hurricane Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 ok thanx! i've vanquished any doubt know Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158392-grey-knights/#findComment-1969130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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