greatcrusade08 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 [Cut and paste from BA forum] Hey all, let me introduce myself to those that dont know me, im Greatcrusade08 and i have been back playing 40k for just over a year now. To start with i built a blood angels army, but becuase i wanted a more current army list i turned to Ultras....after a year i have almost a full company of blues and have started work on a pure scout army, those that know me will probably be tired of my scout 'sermons' so ill move on..... Now that i have most of my 2 ultra armies done, i have decided to start work on my next project, which will be a DIY chapter.. Since i already know how awesome the BA are, ive decided to create a BA sucsessor chapter.... Heres what i have so far: Astartes Praeses:The Mythos Angelica Mortis is a tome listing a group of twenty Space Marine chapters known as the Astartes Praeses. The tome claims that these chapters were founded to guard the regions surrounding the Eye of Terror. Although the names and status' of all the chapters are not known. Known chapters that are a part of this group include the Excoriators, the Marines Exemplar, the Night Watch, the Relictors, the Subjugators and the White Consuls. Ive decided to run a Praeses chapter, founded in the 21st founding (M36) along side the lamenters... They too played with the BA geneseed of my chapter to try and cure the gene-curse, they did manage to remove the red thirst and vampiric traits of the marines, but instead of removing the black rage, it became more prevalent....More marines fall to the rage than any other BA chapter, and all marines have visions of Sanguinus whilst asleep/half sleep and during meditation. Because of this, many in the chapter follow the path of faith and 'religion' and train to become Chaplains, the sombre nature of the chapter is also evident in their choice of colour. Structure: Follows BA codex: Every marine longs to end his life in battle rather than fall to the black rage, to reprisent this, the companies are comprised solely of assault squads, with bikers, land speeders and dreadnoughts present in every company, due to the fact they are a praeses chapter and see regular action against chaos, there are no reserve companies.. Each squad is led by a chaplain (uses sergeants rules and models-with skull mask) and each company likewise is led by a reclusiarch as opposed to company master/captain...the chapter does have a chapter master in overall command and the chapters master of sanctity is always at his side. I need to find an area of space around the EOT for thier home (thinking of a moon based fortress) And i have yet to think of a good name for the chapter, any suggestions??? C+C welcomed GC08 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158555-diy-ba-sucsessor/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted January 25, 2009 Author Share Posted January 25, 2009 For a base of operations im thinking the fortress-monastary of KERES situated on the planet of atra saevio, single habitable planet in the star system of the same name, it is an agricultural planet and is situated in the Helican subsector (segmentum obscurus), somewhere between Ork held world of Gathrog and the ice world of Hubris. Still cant think of a suitable name: kind of thinking at the moment that angels should stay, Angels of death is a little tounge in cheek maybe, How about Angels of fury?? maybe rage or something similar.....i need guidance!!! GC08 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158555-diy-ba-sucsessor/#findComment-1856878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Putting it in the Helican sub? I'd avoid that, personally, given that that's the setting for the Eisenhorn series - he goes bouncing around the sector and there's never any mention of your Chapter, even in large scales combats like against the Saruthi or in the large victory parades like at Thracian Primaris. Also, from what we can discern the twenty Chapters of the Praeses have been made across multiple foundings, rather than all at once. I don't think the Mythos Angelica Mortis is contradictory as to that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158555-diy-ba-sucsessor/#findComment-1856888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted January 25, 2009 Author Share Posted January 25, 2009 Putting it in the Helican sub? I'd avoid that, personally, given that that's the setting for the Eisenhorn series - he goes bouncing around the sector and there's never any mention of your Chapter, even in large scales combats like against the Saruthi or in the large victory parades like at Thracian Primaris. hmmm, where else, i was going to tie in a battle against orks in the early days of the chapter, causing them to lose a large part of their trianing cadre....linking this into the reason why chaplains run the companies (combines with the black rage aspect) Also, from what we can discern the twenty Chapters of the Praeses have been made across multiple foundings, rather than all at once. I don't think the Mythos Angelica Mortis is contradictory as to that. It could be better worded, and is a little confusing but i do agree with you which is why i used it as background...ill edit out my statement to avoid further confusion... Any advice on names??? GC08 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158555-diy-ba-sucsessor/#findComment-1856915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 hmmm, where else, i was going to tie in a battle against orks in the early days of the chapter, causing them to lose a large part of their trianing cadre....linking this into the reason why chaplains run the companies (combines with the black rage aspect) Without meaning to seem too sarcastic - anywhere else around the Eye of Terror! You can just make up a planet/sector name. That way you won't wake up in the morning and read a post on here going "OMG! GW's new campaign has Abaddon the Despoiler wiping the Helican sector of all life!" - you're insulated from GW fluff, at the cost of having to be a bit imaginative. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158555-diy-ba-sucsessor/#findComment-1856918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted January 25, 2009 Author Share Posted January 25, 2009 Without meaning to seem too sarcastic - anywhere else around the Eye of Terror! You can just make up a planet/sector name. That way you won't wake up in the morning and read a post on here going "OMG! GW's new campaign has Abaddon the Despoiler wiping the Helican sector of all life!" - you're insulated from GW fluff, at the cost of having to be a bit imaginative. No thats fine, but can i just be vague, without raising too many questions? For a base of operations im thinking the fortress-monastary of KERES situated on the planet of atra saevio, single habitable planet in the star system of the same name, it is an agricultural planet and is situated in the HelicanTHORIUM subsector (segmentum obscurus), somewhere between Ork held world of Gathrog and the ice world of Hubris. How does that look, a completely made up name :( Now thats out of the way, are there any more issues with the bulk of the chapter?? Any ideas on a name....i really need a chapter name!! GC08 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158555-diy-ba-sucsessor/#findComment-1856921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 My thoughts are that you're having your cake and eating it. Your Chapter appears to be on par with (or even worse than) the Flesh Tearers. The Flesh Tearers are noted as being able to only maintain four Companies of Marines in the current timeframe. Given your Chapter's focus on assault (with, from what you seem to be saying, the entire Chapter being equipped with jump packs) it strikes me they'd be in a similarly dire position. It seems to me that your Chapter would face incredible challenges on the battlefield with their relative lack of heavy weaponry and the like. I mean, sure they could win the day through superior biology, superior morale and grim determination, but they'd likely take higher casualties than other Chapters might... Of course, these aren't necessarily bad things, but they're things you need to take into account and work on to give your Chapter character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158555-diy-ba-sucsessor/#findComment-1856997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Assault Heavy Armies would have high casualties, because they essentially bring knives to gun fights. If they are going to stay assault heavy keep them small and grizzled. Why do you think the Black Templars take in so many new recruits? Divine Mandate? Negative, they take in so many because attrition in Assault based chapters is huge. Crusade Era World Eaters were a large Legion for the same reason. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158555-diy-ba-sucsessor/#findComment-1857018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted January 25, 2009 Author Share Posted January 25, 2009 Thanks for the comments, i had considered the casualty thing, but im not sure how far to take it... I was going to note a battle aginst orks where the training cadre was almost wiped out, which leads to chappies running the show...i guess i could say they only have 4-5 full companies and a twice as large scout company... Thier main enemy is chaos (as a praeses would suggest), so i could write up fluff about never retreating regarless of losses, and resulting in the chapter being under half strength... I am trying to get the BA feel without copying the flesh tearers, hence the addition of the chappies as leaders, the change in colour and the removal of red thirst....more black rage less eating the enemy.. Thanks again, ill always take constructive criticism GC08 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158555-diy-ba-sucsessor/#findComment-1857307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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