LPetersson Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Why? He cant use HP+B in CC if hes capable of attacking.... Also, he can use it on an invulnerable save- the wording is "first failed saving throw" it doesnt mention wich kind. Unless you dont make saving throws for invulnerable saves? I would think that very silly of you though. True, he can't, but he can use it while they're being shot at... And in my codex it's very clearly stated that HP&B can't be used when the model was hit by 'A weapon that allows no save' which is the only time you would use your invul save... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158612-your-best-wgbl-bodyguard-terminator-loadouts/page/3/#findComment-2004261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 No... sadly, thats not true. Look at Feel No Pain if you dont believe me, theres a difference between an AP 2 or AP 1 weapon and a weapon that allows no armor save. Ill also note that it doesnt even say armor save, merely save- wich means if it allows invulnerable saves or cover saves your still ok... RAW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158612-your-best-wgbl-bodyguard-terminator-loadouts/page/3/#findComment-2004279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I see your point and I will concede that it is RAW. Is there any weapon in 40k (outside of Apocalypse) that allows no save at all? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158612-your-best-wgbl-bodyguard-terminator-loadouts/page/3/#findComment-2004285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Warscythes. No armor save, no invulnerable save, and there are no cover saves in CC. I usually agree with people and say that its armor save, to be polite as it were.... just point it out and all you know? As it is, I have to agree with anyone who says that a powerweapon or such ignores HP+B because of the description of the weapon- a CCW that allows no save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158612-your-best-wgbl-bodyguard-terminator-loadouts/page/3/#findComment-2004287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audun Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 The description for a Calidus Assassins C'tan Phase Sword specifically states that "No saves are allowed against hits from a phase sword, not even Invulnerable saves!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158612-your-best-wgbl-bodyguard-terminator-loadouts/page/3/#findComment-2005448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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