jeffersonian000 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I feel like an idiot, but I've been under the impression that Huricane Bolters were 3 twin-linked Heavy Bolters, not 3 twin-linked normal boltguns. As such, they just went from being "pretty cool" to "that sucks!" With that being said, am I correct to assume that they can be rapid fired at 12"? SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Yes they may, they are also defencive weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1858312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott-S6 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 If they were heavy bolters then you'd only be able to fire two weapons. As they are strength four then you can fire two weapons (assault cannons and multi-melta) plus all defensive weapons (both hurricane bolters and a storm bolter). At 12" you're firing: 2x storm bolter shots 12x t/l bolter shots 4x t/l assault cannon shots 1x multimelta and one of those (probably the multi-melta) can be fired at a different target. That's pretty sweet. If you want the heavy bolters then look at the Forge World LR Prometheus. 2x t/l heavy bolters in each sponson. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1858333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 and one of those (probably the multi-melta) can be fired at a different target. That depends on what PotMS you're using :D. Some of us aren't that well blessed. Cheers I Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1858475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott-S6 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 That's true. The new power of the machine spirit rule makes the pintle multi-melta extremely useful. I'd be tempted to do without it if I was using the older versions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1858501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 Cool. I'm playing Daemonhunters, so, if I read the 5e FAQ correctly, I should be able to move up to 6" and fire everything, or move up to 12" and fire he Hurricanes + one other weapon, all at BS4. Which brings me to another question: are both sponsons counted as a single weapon or two separate weapons? I.e., can I choose to fire one sponson at one target and then machine spirit the other sponson at a second target? Not that I think that's a good tactic, just more of a thought exercise. Thanks, everyone! SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1859060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelmage99 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 They are two seperate weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1859203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDarmy Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 thats funny. i was under the same impression about the hurricane bolters.my friends sure where happy when i broke the bad news to them that my Crusader had been nuetered. I even bought an extra set and converted up a set for my Dread. wasted effort, now im still tring to decide on how ill make a seismic hammer up. there still not so terrible to use. i like them over the flamestorms still. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1860998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share Posted January 28, 2009 Yeah, I felt really crushed when my fantasy of 18 d6 with re-roll went up in smoke. Of course, now I understand why a Land Raider Prometheus costs so much for what I thought was less fire power. Oh well. I'm still going to use at least two Crusaders in my army as dedicated assault platforms; I'm a firm believer in Rate-of-Fire. Which brings me to another thought: Psycannon Bolts. Do they effect Hurricane Bolters? The description only mentions Storm Bolters and Heavy Bolters, twin-linked or otherwise. As Storm Bolters are just combi-bolters, you would think psycannon bolts would work fine. Question is, do they? SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1861050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praeger Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 jefferson - could you please explain a bit better what you are asking? thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1861076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Which brings me to another thought: Psycannon Bolts. Do they effect Hurricane Bolters? The description only mentions Storm Bolters and Heavy Bolters, twin-linked or otherwise. As Storm Bolters are just combi-bolters, you would think psycannon bolts would work fine. Question is, do they? Storm bolters aren't combi-bolters. If psycannon bolts only effect storm bolters and heavy bolters, then no, hurricane bolters wouldn't benefit from them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1861096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share Posted January 28, 2009 Actually, Storm Bolter is the common name for the Combi-Bolter, which is two boltguns mated to fire together. This is from the 1st edition of the game, which is when I started playing 40k. I also played 2nd ed, but not 3rd or 4th edition (I took a 10 year break from the game). I'm getting back into 40k with 5th edition, hence my questions on Hurricane Bolters which did not exist back when I stopped playing. As to Psycannon Bolts not working with Hurricane Bolters? I can live with that, just wanted a clarification. Thanks everyone! SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1861168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott-S6 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Storm bolters and combi-bolters have been distinct and different since 2nd edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1861227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praeger Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Yes - even in 2nd edition they where two completely different weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1861301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 supporting evidence is that storm bolters may not fire special issue bolter ammo allowed to Sternguard Vets. "Storm bolter is/is not a boltgun" has been discussed ad nausium in threads related to that topic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1861464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 That may be true for Sternguard, however, it’s not true for the Inquisition: pg18, Daemonhunter Codex, under Psycannon Bolts, it states that "a bolt weapon (storm bolter, bolter, combi-bolter, or bolt pistol) with this upgrade ..." Not that I think I just added to the argument, but ... blanket statements tend to leave out exceptions. From a fluff stand point, bolt pistols use a smaller caliber than boltguns, stormbolters were once known as combi-bolters and were intended to be different from a twin-linked bolter, and yes, caliber of ammo varies between bolters just like it does today between modern firearms. All that, of course, has been lost in the last three editions of the game, from Rogue Trader to today’s 5th Ed. Personally, I love reading in the current fluff how no one remembers how dreadnoughts were once made, and then looking up the step by step process of manufacturing a dreadnought in the old Warhammer 40k Compendium (the red book). Tickles me. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1863592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jubei124 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 That may be true for Sternguard, however, it’s not true for the Inquisition: pg18, Daemonhunter Codex, under Psycannon Bolts, it states that "a bolt weapon (storm bolter, bolter, combi-bolter, or bolt pistol) with this upgrade ..." Maybe the Psycannon Bolts are special and come with a sabot for larger bored weapons. Not that it really matters with regards to any of the other chapters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1863663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 I prefer the think that it’s more of an issue of access to special ammo than an issue of ammo size. Frankly, any round can be cast to any size, yet only former members of Deathwatch have access to Hellfire rounds while the Inquisition maintains restrict regulation on psy-specific ammo. Of course, that's fluff. From a rules stand point, it doesn't make much sense but we are left with following the rules as written and determining what can and cannot be done with those rules. If, some unknown reason, psycannon bolts are available to personnel at any caliber yet only to vehicles in two specific calibers, then we have to live with it. Sucks. But we have to live with it. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1863677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Psycanon rounds are available to ANY "bolt weapon" other than the Heavy Bolter (not included in the list in the armoury on C:DH P.18) I was wrong previously about that BUT the option is in the armoury, NOT the vehicle upgrades so would not be allowed in the hurricane bolters of the LRC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1863741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maligoare Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 There is a mention of a Psycannon Bolts upgrade for Grey Knight Vehicles only, but I can't remember if it is limited to the heavy bolters you would find on the Land Raider and Dreadnought, or if it applies to any form of bolt weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1864781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 The vehicle upgrade is limited to stormbolters and heavy bolters, while the wargear is limited the pistols, boltguns, combi-weapons, and stormbolters. The question I posted had to do with whether or not hurricane bolters qualify for the vehicle upgrade, which the majority of responders agree they do not. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1864791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frogstaff Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 The answer is crystal clear: no, they are neither storm bolters, nor heavy bolters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158684-hurricane-bolters/#findComment-1864927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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