eyescrossed Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Okay, I'm a newb when it comes to the HH novels (I've almost finished reading Horus Rising), but I'm already hooked! I love Horus Rising so far, and I'm wondering if the other books are of the same quality (or better), as they're all written by different authors (mostly). I'd also like your opinion of the best and worst of the HH novels. Also, what was the daemon that possessed Jubal (Samus)? Was it a Beast of Nurgle, or just some random warp entity? Thanks in advance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Spirit Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 welcome to this series!! Anyway, the daemon that possessed him turned him into some kind of possessed/spawn type creature as far as i can remember. There are alot of random daemonic incursions in the HH series, and some of them have a tendency to slip towards nurgle (one very obvious case in one of the latter books) or other Gods. The Gods themselves aren't named or something, but some things in the books hint towards a certain God (this happens in Mechanicum for instance... but i won't go into that). As for the different authors... Most of the series ranges from pretty good to excellent. The first five books are all in the good section. My personal opinion is that Descent of Angels and Battle for the Abyss are the two weakest books (but fun nonetheless). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1861336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share Posted January 28, 2009 Ah, that's good to know :P Oh, another thing, on a scale of 1 to 10, what would you rate Legion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1861344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor The Great Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I'd give Legion a 8,cause i had to read it twice to make any sense of it :devil: Also give Fulgrim a read,its well worth it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1861374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share Posted January 28, 2009 Ah, an 8. Yeah, that's what my friend says about Fulgrim. Bloody Emperor's Children - even in Horus Rising you see how perfectionist they are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1861384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Personally I'd say that they're all very good and well written books with the exception of Descent of Angels. I thought it was poorly written and made very little sense in the Context of the Horus Heresy (With a few pages as exceptions here and there)... Battle for the Abyss might not be as brilliant as the first 4-5 books, but I thought it provided some excellent glue between the major events and it's a cracking read. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1861398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Instrument Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Hi there, I've read all the released books in order and in honesty I've enjoyed all of them. Personally I don't get swept up in the fluff to the extent that if there is a slight contradiction or anomaly with something that was previously I feel the need to crucify the author. I think it's best probably to read them as a stand alone series and approach each one with an open mind, that way you'll get the most enjoyment out of them. I've almost finish Horus Rising again as I'm reading back through them all because I enjoyed them so much. I feel that Descent of Angels could have done with it's sequel sooner as it appears to have been dropped in have way through the current releases but when that does hit the shelves in the next few months it'll clear the questions that book raises. On the whole though, a good, action packed collection of books in my opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1861400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share Posted January 28, 2009 Ah, that's good to know. I can't think of anything else to say... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1861403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Hunter Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 The only one that isn't actually about marines is mechanicum but is good if your a necron player cos u find out more about the void dragon, Still worst book in the series is descent of angels cos it's just got nothin to do with anythin else in any other book. My favourite books were Galaxy in flames because it's basicaly a massive fight all the way through. Fulgrim is another really good book and is probably one of the best books in terms of structure, story and action. I no i sound like a total english lit noob now but it is really good mate soi'd read as well. Does any one know when and what the next book is about? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1861797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Kong Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 So far I've read Horus Rising to Legion. They're all good, around the same standard as Horus Rising. The one thing I will say about Descent of Angels though is that it doesn't really progress anything, the events are more or less boring, however dialogue is interesting, and occasionally witty and humorous. Fulgrim is my favorite though, read it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1861818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted January 29, 2009 Author Share Posted January 29, 2009 Ah, a lot of Fulgrim love here :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1862309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Engel Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 In order of how much I enjoyed them: False Gods - So good. Hot to hot to awesome to geatness. The events tie together so well, the characters are well defined and each is unique. Galaxy in Flames - See above. Horus Rising - See above, plus the best opening to a book ever. Mechanicum - Political intrigue was awesome as well Zeth's "Leave now or the Knights will blow your face off," moment. Battle for the Abyss - The naval aspect was very well done and I really got a sense of what was going on. It also did things differently by not including a Primarch just to have a primarch (Looking at you, Mechanicum) and it was generally a fun romp. Flight of the Eisenstein - Meh. Way too much Garro love for me. Fulgrim - I just found it way too long, didn't feel connected to any of the characters and found the possession plot device rather lame. It makes Horus' actual corruption of Fulgrim's ideals less interesting and less manageable. The Remembrancers had no contact with anyone and honestly.... I didn't like them. Descent of Angels - Blah. Interesting concepts put in a long-winded narrative. I enjoyed the narrative, but not the actual story. *sigh* I haven't managed to find a copy of Legion yet. Started late... sigh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1862441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flameseeker574 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Most of them were pretty good/great Fulgrim was a good book But I felt no connection to the characters and I cannot name any of them(this is very unusual for me) I did feel that I learned alot more about the primarchs in that book though, so it was pretty good. Descent of the Angels was pretty bad , because it had nothing to do with the HH but the beginning was pretty cool when it talks about the kids that are inducted into the order. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1862484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Spirit Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I dont hear many people talking about Flight of the Eisensten. For some reason, this was one of my more favorite books in the series. Very exciting book, lots of new things happening (at the time it came out) and a very cool ending. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1862600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted January 29, 2009 Author Share Posted January 29, 2009 Yeah, I've heard a lot of positive stuff about Flight of the Eisenstein. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1862627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I dont hear many people talking about Flight of the Eisensten. For some reason, this was one of my more favorite books in the series. Very exciting book, lots of new things happening (at the time it came out) and a very cool ending. Just finish Flight of the Eisensten last night & really enjoy it. I kind of found it hard to get into that first but that has nothing to do with the book that all... just some real life stuff getting in the way :) & it only left me time to read half a page <_< ever now & then... until last few days there. But when the real life stuff settle down, I sat down & read the book page from page really enjoy the book. I enjoy Filgrim as well. Really enjoy the book overall & give me a lot idea for my Iron Hands army. I've also read Legion which was great :D This was the first Heresy book I read & I can not highly recommend this enough, it is great. Now I have to chose what one to read next as I have the following Horus Rising Flight of the Eisenstein - read Fulgrim - read Descent of Angels Legion - read Battle for the Abyss Mechanicum Still need to buy False Gods Galaxy in Flames Just a bit worry about Battle for the Abyess as I am not a fan of Ben Counter stuff... nothing against him, just never got into Soul Drinker books. While a lot you said about Decent of Angels is not so good, but I'll still give them a read. one know when and what the next book is about? Fallen Angels Prospero Burns through the 1k Son view by Dan, Graham McNeill doing the Space Wolves side of this story & both them will link with each other I belive. After that well need to wait & see (pray to the chaos gods for a Iron Warriors one that also include the Iron Cage even if it after the seige) IP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1862639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted January 29, 2009 Author Share Posted January 29, 2009 I've noticed a LOT of Fulgrim love :) Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino reminded me of Horus Aximand. Don't know why. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1862667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I read all books in their sequence, without skipping. My top: 1 - Legion (shows really great how Aplha Legion works) 2 - Fulgrim (at last I can understand what Slaanesh is about) 3 - three first novels about Sons of Horus. 4 - that difficult space ship name and book about Death Guard. 5 - battle for the abyss. 1000 Sons is closer to me now. and the worst - descent of angels. I couldn't even read it totally, it's just some bunch of stuff about nothing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1862669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Spirit Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Horus RisingFlight of the Eisenstein - read Fulgrim - read Descent of Angels Legion - read Battle for the Abyss Mechanicum Still need to buy False Gods Galaxy in Flames I suggest reading Horus Rising, False Gods and Galaxy in Flames first. They started of the series and are personally responsible for bringing a huge new bunch of people in the black library section. If you're gonna read them... read them in the correct order since they are continuous. You could read Descent, battle for the abyss and mechanicum anytime you want, but maybe it's better to stick with the order they came out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1863176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnarchX Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Descent of Angels wasn't bad if you remove it from the context of the HH. The only thing I didn't like was that the end of it felt rushed and didn't fit real well with the first 3/4 of the book. I just finished Battle for the Abyss, it was a slow starter, but it finished well. The first three books are probably my favorites thus far. Thanks, AnarchX Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1863267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Sasha Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Am halfway through Descent of Angels (book 6) in order; Flight of Eisenstein is definitely my favourite to date, as it had the moral quandries of Rising and False Gods, and a narrative that maintained the sense of pursuit and escape, whereas most of the others are a series of set pieces of large battles. Fulgrim I found awful! The crassest piece of indulgent violence-porn I have ever picked up (and I've been reading SF and fantasy since the eighties, so I've seen a lot!), and painfully enslaved to the GW rulebook! The Eldar tank couldn't fire because the warriors were engaged in close combat? Why not just write "Loken raised his bolter at the enemy soldier and fired twice, because he hadn't moved and was within 12"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1863284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abaddon127 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I think that the HH series is really good with an exception or two. I didn't think that DoA was the best novel, but I liked it because I love the Dark Angels. I really wish that Abnett and McNeill could have traded off writing duties between the two of them from the start. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1863329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Spirit Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Then we wouldn't have as many books :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1863442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Gabe Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 All i have to say about the series is that they all are really good books, I know a lot of people here do not like Decent of Angels, but i personaly loved it, sure it did not have to do a lot with the HH but im an sure that this book is just carving the way for the next DA book. My thinking is that in order to understand the next DA book you would have to have known what had happened before it, which is where DoA comes in. So, in the end you should simply read every single last one of them. (I personaly read them in order but some may not) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1863601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific81 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I suggest reading Horus Rising, False Gods and Galaxy in Flames first. They started of the series and are personally responsible for bringing a huge new bunch of people in the black library section. If you're gonna read them... read them in the correct order since they are continuous. You could read Descent, battle for the abyss and mechanicum anytime you want, but maybe it's better to stick with the order they came out. Seconded! These are the 'important' 3, in that they deal with the central storyline of the Heresy, and the actions of Horus. So, if time and resources are limited and you want as much information as possible in your reading, these are probably the ones to go for. However, I am also going to add some 'Fulgrim love' - its a bit of a monster at 500 pages, but in my opinion its the only title to handle the fall into chaos of any of the Primarchs (thus far) in any kind of serious manner, and doesn't rely on crappy plot devices to explain why someone in the position of the Primarchs can go good -> evil. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158901-a-newbie/#findComment-1864533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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