The emperors chosen Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Can I use the 25mm bases(the smaller ones) on termie models, I'm asking because I have a termie model,but it fits into the smaller bases,so it is it legal to use it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Not really, most people won't care, but you really should use the base that comes with the model. A tournament player will call you out on it though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1861999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_lord_bjorn Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 According to ye olde tourny rules all models must be mounted on bases they are supplied with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The emperors chosen Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share Posted January 28, 2009 it came with the smaller base though,but I wasnt sure,because it was a termie Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Is it one of the older style termies? 'cos I suppose technically you could mount it on the 25mm base, but I still wouldn't, for fairness' sake. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsutter Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I have 30 of the Space Hulk termies. I have no plans on updating their bases, some say I should. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The emperors chosen Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share Posted January 28, 2009 yah,older style Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_lord_bjorn Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 If it was supplied with 25mm then thats what you MUST use, regardless of what the current ones are shipped with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudge Dreadnought Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 The rule is that they go on the bases they came with. However, it is obvious that this gives older terminators a significant advantage over newer ones as their deepstrike footprint is much much smaller, so they easily avoid mishaps. I think the base-it-came-with rule is there to allow older models to still be legal on their old base sizes. However if you really want to be fair to your opponent i think you should use current bases. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 It also gives them disadvantages: can't give cover or block up as much area, are easier to all fit under an ordnance blast, shorter disembarking distance. Base how it's supplied, as that's the rule fair and square. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jubei124 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I would say use the bases they came with unless your also using some termies that have the 40mm base then (If they were mine) I'd upgrade them all to have the same base. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleth Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Personally I'd update them, but we've got a guy in our group who uses the smaller bases. There is an upside in CC that you can fit more into a smaller area ensuring that can get everyone into CC. But as some said you also can't block as large a space. Â I'd say if you gaming group is cool with it right on. But if you're going to a FLGS/tourney update just to avoid issues. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essayons Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Technically, you are not permitted to "update" terminator bases under the new rule. It is very specific in that all models MUST be mounted on the bases that they are supplied with. Does this give some advantage to older models on a different sized base...perhaps. Is there any ambiguity in the rule...nope, none at all. Â Essayons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleth Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Essay I would disagree. Older terminators were supplied on smaller bases, current terminators are supplied on larger ones. If we treat packaging like codexes this would mean that current packaging standards override older ones. example: Just because rending rules originally were different doesn't mean you don't need to update to the newer ones. Â I would think it would apply to bases as well. Larger bases are the new standard. But again this is my interpretation, and it doesn't really matter to anyone who I don't game with. Like I said to the OP just be aware of who/where you're playing as their opinion does matter, so personally to avoid conflicts I'd update the bases. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essayons Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Well, personally, I would like to see all terminators on the same-sized bases given the current iteration of the rules. I think it's the only fair way to go. Having said that, the rule reads that models must be mounted on the bases that they are "supplied with." This isn't a matter of saying that a rule for a particular model changed (like your rending example). GW could decide tomorrow that power weapons instant killed with one hit...that's a rule change. This talks about what the model came with...when you bought it. Not what the newer version comes with now. Â Admittedly, it leads to some absurd results, but that's the way it's written. Â In any event, not a big thing, unless you're playing competitively, then it might be worth discussing with tourney organizers well in advance. Â Essayons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I agree I can't recall anything that says they must be updated to a new 40mm base simply because that is the new packaged 'standard' for them. So by all means keep them on their originals :tu:. Â Cheers I Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleth Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 True enough, I guess the cynic in me would say though that if they force you to update to the newer bases its a quick way to sell some of those $8 packs at the store. As I said just my reading and overall I don't care, I just thought I'd throw my $.02 in. Fun discussion :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhammer Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Metal termies with the slotta-base tab weren't designed to fit on the 40mm bases. If it were a case of just having to buy a new base I think GW would probably require it, but to require people to cut off the tabs and affix the feet to the larger base with pins isn't really fair. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jubei124 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Metal termies with the slotta-base tab weren't designed to fit on the 40mm bases. If it were a case of just having to buy a new base I think GW would probably require it, but to require people to cut off the tabs and affix the feet to the larger base with pins isn't really fair. Â True but if you just cut a space in the base for the slot to fit it's not much of a bother. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Metal termies with the slotta-base tab weren't designed to fit on the 40mm bases. If it were a case of just having to buy a new base I think GW would probably require it, but to require people to cut off the tabs and affix the feet to the larger base with pins isn't really fair. Â True but if you just cut a space in the base for the slot to fit it's not much of a bother. That'd be harder than pinning it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplaincliff Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 then dont pin the sucker... Â i moved my single old termie onto a current base (with accolades from my local group) and i had no issues gluing the feet on the top of the base, if you have to pin that thing, you may need to re-think what glue you use. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I was thinking the same thing. I never have to pin my feet to bases - they glue perfectly, even if it's a cut off tab or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I took the easy way, I put my old metal termies on their 25mm base and glued them on high quality poker chips. They are about 39mm+ and give the older termies just that little bit of height to make them about the same as the new plastic termies. This way all my termies are very close to each other. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Question answered. Â OK now should I be moving this to the Painting Converting and Artwork section :wallbash:? Â Cheers I Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1862585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Chaos_Brute Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 For loyalist, base it came with. Chaos, it was FAQed, so we had to change them <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/158944-terminators/#findComment-1863051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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