Captain Tezdal Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I was thinking the other day, surely the BL wont let the HH series rest after the siege of Terra, There is the Iron Cage, the klilling of Alpharius/Omegon, the disapearance of 4 Primarchs, the founding of the Grey Knights etc. that all happened before the 33rd mellenium ended, plus it is a HUUUUUGE selling point for GHW and BL, so I don't think they will let it lie there. Any thought on what might happen, and if there are any books suggested, Names for them? <_< dont forget Fulgrim slaying Roboute Guilliman, now that'd be a great book, and put the UM'S in there' place Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1886765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 I think Games Workshop should recall all their Ultra models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1889324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Ultramar Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Haha, take it easy, guys; remember, other people think the same should be done to Marines. :devil: I eagerly look forwards to the Siege, they need to put their best man on it (Abnett, I'm thinking) and it should be excellent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1889384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 An Iron Warriors book could focus on the Crusade up until Tallarn (massed Tank warfare between Guard and IW on a planet they nuke.) Tallarn deserves a series of its own, White Scars, Ultramarines, Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Sons of Horus and Alpha Legion have all also been mentioned as participating in the three year battle for the world. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1889551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I thought that It was only a portion of the Iron warriors legion that fought at Tallarn, while the rest was present at Terra. So that might be included in the HH series Fulgrim Slaying Roboute was a few hundred years after the heresy. While on the subject of Roboute, they might want to tell us the story of the confrontation between the Alpha Legion and the UM's.. so many good stories they can tell... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1890610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 It won't be a good story, it has Ultramarines in it! :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1890889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarified Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I dont think its really alot of money for the complete collection. 42 books we're talking roughly £250 then. For a huge collection like that i think thats very good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1891044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 I thought that It was only a portion of the Iron warriors legion that fought at Tallarn, while the rest was present at Terra. So that might be included in the HH series Well, the Iron Warriors were scattered all over during the Great Crusade so this is possible, but the way I understand it Tallarn was attacked before the Battle for Terra, and the reason the IW's left was that they ran out of time in trying to recover some buried artifact they were after and had to leave and help attack Terra. I might be wrong though, and in any case this is very old fluff that will probably be clarified and retconned as the current incarnation of the IW's would probably not even want a chaos artifact as they are not very keen on summoning daemons and tend to fight for more pragmatic reasons. If anything, a double perspective Iron Cage book or pair of books needs to be published, to spark further controversy over who won that particular battle since I enjoy arguing with Fists fanboys who are sore that they lost :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1891436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Ultramar Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 It won't be a good story, it has Ultramarines in it! :P Hey, the UMs haven't gotten much exposure so far, I'd love a story about the legion that held the entire Imperium together after the Heresy. Even if they didn't do much in the Heresy proper, (Calth was one of the only major things, right?) you can still get some good books out of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1891579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific81 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 The Word Bearers springing a trap on the Ultramarines at Calth, and laying them almost completely low before the Ultra's managed to do the almost impossible and fight back, is a substantial part of Collected Visions and I would say almost a certainty for a full novel in the series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1893010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 dont forget Fulgrim slaying Roboute Guilliman, now that'd be a great book, and put the UM'S in there' place Reading the IA Astartes of the Ultramarines I think you will be disappointed a little bud. It seems that Guilliman would have won. He fought a massive Daemon Prince and was left mortally wounded with a single slash across his throat. But it actually states that when the cloying mists receded the Emperor's Children had vanished along with their Primarch. Now if Guilliman and his Chapter got beating hands down, how come the Emperor's Children retreated and Fulgrim left his brothers body there unharmed? Remember what he did to Ferrus Manus' body? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1893247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 how come the Emperor's Children retreated and Fulgrim left his brothers body there unharmed? Remember what he did to Ferrus Manus' body? He's with Slaanesh now - you never do the same thing twice. Perhaps he just liked revelling in the Ultramarines' despair. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1893317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 That is a tenuous reasoning! Speculation though. The only information we have is that Fulgrim disappeared and took his Emperor's Children with him. That sounds like banishment to me, rather than victory. Especially given the lack of injuries on Guilliman and the Ultramarines survival. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1895652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Uh, the Ultramarines victory sounds like tenuous reasoning... It looks like Fulgrim inflicted a fatal wound on Guiliman and then left him so his Legion could find him, a body is so much more demoralizing than a disappearance after all. Something he has first hand experience of, after all, he killed Ferrus Mannus, and the Iron hands claim he disappeared and will return! And even if Guiliman (While mortally wounded) managed to Banish Fulgrim, what about his Chaos Marines? You cant banish them.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1897130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Gulliman did not banish Fulgrim, Fulgrim left of his own accord. Why he left is a different question, but remember that according to newly revealed fluff, Fulgrim is not himself (literally) and it is actually the daemon from the Laeran blade that killed Ferrus as Fulgrim could not bring himself to do it, so it is possible that the real Fulgrim still feels shame at what he has become and was so unable to finish the deed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1897844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Gulliman did not banish Fulgrim, Fulgrim left of his own accord. Why he left is a different question, but remember that according to newly revealed fluff, Fulgrim is not himself (literally) and it is actually the daemon from the Laeran blade that killed Ferrus as Fulgrim could not bring himself to do it, so it is possible that the real Fulgrim still feels shame at what he has become and was so unable to finish the deed. unable to finish the deed again!?!?!?! for a guy that fell to slaanesh, he sure has trouble finishing what he started! wolf lord kieran Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1897929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scragglefoot Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Well with 42 books maybe the last one will be the emp's story as you know the answer to everything is 42 Scragglefoot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1904063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spareknikov Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Well with 42 books maybe the last one will be the emp's story as you know the answer to everything is 42 Scragglefoot Strangely, that makes sense... Even so, yours' was the 42nd Post.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1904384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I thought that It was only a portion of the Iron warriors legion that fought at Tallarn, while the rest was present at Terra. So that might be included in the HH series Well, the Iron Warriors were scattered all over during the Great Crusade so this is possible, but the way I understand it Tallarn was attacked before the Battle for Terra, and the reason the IW's left was that they ran out of time in trying to recover some buried artifact they were after and had to leave and help attack Terra. I might be wrong though, and in any case this is very old fluff that will probably be clarified and retconned as the current incarnation of the IW's would probably not even want a chaos artifact as they are not very keen on summoning daemons and tend to fight for more pragmatic reasons. If anything, a double perspective Iron Cage book or pair of books needs to be published, to spark further controversy over who won that particular battle since I enjoy arguing with Fists fanboys who are sore that they lost :yes: I think Mcneill stated in "storm of iron" somewhere that the legion was present on both.. I believe that the Warmsith had something given to him as a reward while Perturabo was on Terra.. again I'm not sure it was at the same time.. About the Guilliman VS Fulgrim.. Maybe Fulgrim was armed with something that causes instant death (to compare game wise, in the previous Chaos codex the EC had such a daemon weapon if I'm not mistaken) So he just left because he thought Guilliman would die anyway.. They had to put Him in stasis to prevent the poisons from spreading or something like that.. (it's in the IA volume somewhere) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1904457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific81 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Maybe the Emp Children's Primarch had enough satisfaction from knowing that he had bested Gulliman? And in any case, who knows the motivations of a creature such as Fulgrim, and especially when the story is not laid out in full? Regarding the combat between Gulliman and Fulgrim on Thessala, here is a little extract from the IA article for those interested: None who were present on that day can say for sure what happened, yet when the cloying musks cleared, the Emperor's Children were gone and Roboute Guilliman lay unmoving, a single bright slash of blood across his throat. Not even the Primarch's god-like physique could halt the spread of Fulgrim's poison and, as Guilliman died, the Apothecaries set up a stasis field and transported their leader back to Macragge. To this day, Roboute Guilliman remains entombed within the stasis field, held immobile on his marble throne in the Temple of Correction on Macragge. There are those who claim that the Primarch's wounds are healing, but this is clearly impossible within the time-locked bubble of a stasis field. Despite this self-evident fact, many believe such tales and await the time when Guilliman will be fully recovered. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1904565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain ChonkE Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I am pretty sure Horus asked for the head of the Gorgon for Fulgrim to prove his loyalty right? Which fits the myth/archetype as well, if a bit ironically. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1907631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Fulgrim Slaying Roboute was a few hundred years after the heresy. While on the subject of Roboute, they might want to tell us the story of the confrontation between the Alpha Legion and the UM's.. Actually Guilliman wasnt killed but mortally wounded, he technically is still alive.... just in stasis.. Also the confrontation between Guilliman and Deamonic Fulgrim happened ten years after the death of Horus. note: Guilliman wrote the codex 7 years after HH, 3 years before he died... this would be a good place to end the HH series and go on to write a new series, describing the loss of all the loyalist primarches maybe... GC08 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1909320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Fulgrim Slaying Roboute was a few hundred years after the heresy. While on the subject of Roboute, they might want to tell us the story of the confrontation between the Alpha Legion and the UM's.. Actually Guilliman wasnt killed but mortally wounded, he technically is still alive.... just in stasis.. Also the confrontation between Guilliman and Deamonic Fulgrim happened ten years after the death of Horus. note: Guilliman wrote the codex 7 years after HH, 3 years before he died... this would be a good place to end the HH series and go on to write a new series, describing the loss of all the loyalist primarches maybe... GC08 after the siege of terra the heresy offically ends, but then the Scouring Wars occur...where the loyalists go nuts and start expelling the traitors and wrecking alien scum for the forseeable future. would make an excellent book series. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1909627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Well with 42 books maybe the last one will be the emp's story as you know the answer to everything is 42 Scragglefoot Strangely, that makes sense... Even so, yours' was the 42nd Post.... Tzeentch is watching! AIEE! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1910138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted March 7, 2009 Author Share Posted March 7, 2009 Whoa, destiny? Is that you? *slaps him* why were never there when I was trying to get a girl! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159236-alas-the-siege-of-terra/page/2/#findComment-1910750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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