Mistikl Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Why a power weapon and bolt pistol over a single lightning claw and a bolter on a captain/chapter master? Against WS6+ enemies during a normal combat round or when you are charged: -----LC-----PW+BP T7--0.375--0.333 T6--0.375--0.333 T5--0.750--0.667 T4--1.125--1.000 T3--1.500--1.333 T2--1.875--1.667 T1--1.875--1.667 Against WS1-5 enemies during a normal combat round or when you are charged: -----LC-----PW+BP T7--0.444--0.444 T6--0.444--0.444 T5--0.888--0.888 T4--1.333--1.333 T3--1.777--1.777 T2--2.222--2.222 T1--2.222--2.222 Against WS6+ enemies when you charge: -----LC-----PW+BP T7--0.500--.0417 T6--0.500--.0417 T5--1.000--0.833 T4--1.500--1.250 T3--2.000--1.667 T2--2.500--2.083 T1--2.500--2.083 Against WS1-5 enemies when you charge: -----LC-----PW+BP T7--0.592--0.556 T6--0.592--0.556 T5--1.185--1.111 T4--1.778--1.667 T3--2.370--2.222 T2--2.963--2.778 T1--2.963--2.778 The formulas I used were these: (W is the weapon skill modifier, T is the toughness modifier, A is the number of attacks) the number of resulting wounds from a single lightning claw = T(AW+(W(A-(AW)))) the number of resulting wounds from a power weapon and bolt pistol = ATW To me, unless I made a mistake, it is very clear. Take a SINGLE lightning claw over a power weapon and bolt pistol in close combat every time. Also, since there is a single lightning claw, you can take a bolt pistol to get the same amount of shooting as the power weapon and bolt pistol combo or a bolter or even a storm bolter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackelope King Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 The only thing I can say to that is for the majority of enemies (WS 1-5), the Captain/Chapter Master with a bolt pistol of some form or another gets an extra attack before he charges, since you can fire a bolt pistol and still assault. Of course, you also miss out on other potential shots every other turn during the shooting phase. Of course, my captain always goes on a bike, so he's only ever going to be shooting his twin-linked bolters with hellfire rounds anyway ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistikl Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 The only thing I can say to that is for the majority of enemies (WS 1-5), the Captain/Chapter Master with a bolt pistol of some form or another gets an extra attack before he charges, since you can fire a bolt pistol and still assault. Of course, you also miss out on other potential shots every other turn during the shooting phase. Well, the captain with the lightning claw would only have one lightning claw, so he could take a bolter, or a bolt pistol. Of course, my captain always goes on a bike, so he's only ever going to be shooting his twin-linked bolters with hellfire rounds anyway ;) Mine too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTAG Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 My Captain has a master-crafted relic sword, a pair of flamers attached to his gauntlets and is equipped with an ancient Iron Halo, capable of producing a stronger powerfield than normal. Also, my Marines are exceptionally talented with Flamers and Melta weapons and my Assault Terminators have a long history of using Thunderhammers and storm shields. ;) Joking aside, remember that the BP/PW does have a higher top end than the LC. And if you're going single lightning claw, go Stormbolter for your off. 2 SB rounds + 4 LC on the Charge is much closer to the BP/PW in top-end than the BP/PW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistikl Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 I did some more math, and when you charge the lightning claw is still more effective because you can get the same amount of shooting for the same price as the PW+BP combo. I've edited the original post to reflect this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTAG Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Well, remember, you can only kill 4 things with a BP shot and 3 LC attacks. You can kill 5 things with a BP shots and 4 PW attacks. That's what I'm talking about when I say top-end. Similarly, the top end is the same with a SB and a LC claw as a BP and PW. Thus, if you're going to take a LC, I'd recommend you spring for a SB. Extra shots, range and still get to assault. I'm not talking about likely hoods or probability. Just possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foster Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Have you tried the maths with hellfire ammo? Might have better results than a storm bolter, which can't shoot hellfire ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlow Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Have you tried the maths with hellfire ammo? Might have better results than a storm bolter, which can't shoot hellfire ammo.Hellfire is great (especially on a bike) however on foot they suffer with the problem that all Bolters do. You loose range if you move and cannot assault if you shoot with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistikl Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 Outside of 12" unless it's on a bike a storm bolter beats hellfire rounds, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlow Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Outside of 12" unless it's on a bike a storm bolter beats hellfire rounds, I believe. Chance of MEQ/Kills per turn for Cpt shooting with ... Storm Bolter = 0.28 MEQ Bolter w/Hellfire @24” = 0.23 MEQ Bolter w/Hellfire @12” = 0.46 MEQ Bike Hellfire @24" = 0.27 MEQ Bike Hellfire @12" = 0.54 MEQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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