jeffersonian000 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Quick question: In the Dawn of War deployment scenario you can deploy 0-2 Troops and 0-1 HQ's, correct? If you attach an Independent Character HQ to a unit of Troops, can you then deploy that combined unit as your 0-1 HQ in addition to the two 0-2 Troops selection? SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159299-dawn-of-war-deployment-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveFleetEzekial Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 No. They were still an HQ and a troop. The only way of getting a 'free' squad, is if the character has an actual retinue with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159299-dawn-of-war-deployment-question/#findComment-1867099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 also keep in mind that you deploy units, not force org. chart selections - these could be combat squads, transports, etc... so you may only get 1 troops choice and an HQ on the board, depending on the composition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159299-dawn-of-war-deployment-question/#findComment-1867107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 Thought so, just wanted clarification. Another point: Since it is "up to" 2 troops and "up to" 1 HQ, could I choose to deploy 0 Troops and 0 HQ, and thereby bring in my units from the board edge or via deep strike later in the game? While I know that this is bad tactics, is it possible? Thanks! SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159299-dawn-of-war-deployment-question/#findComment-1867133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveFleetEzekial Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Yes. You can choose to deploy absolutely nothing (unless your codex specifically forces you to). Also, you can choose not to put any of them into reserves, and have them all walk on from your table edge on your first turn (except those that must or autmatically go in reserves, weather you want to or not like C: Daemons). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159299-dawn-of-war-deployment-question/#findComment-1867148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain_quint Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 also keep in mind that you deploy units, not force org. chart selections - these could be combat squads, transports, etc... so you may only get 1 troops choice and an HQ on the board, depending on the composition. I allways thought that dedicated transports were part of the unit, and so could deploy as 1 unit during DoW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159299-dawn-of-war-deployment-question/#findComment-1867536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souchan Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 also keep in mind that you deploy units, not force org. chart selections - these could be combat squads, transports, etc... so you may only get 1 troops choice and an HQ on the board, depending on the composition. I allways thought that dedicated transports were part of the unit, and so could deploy as 1 unit during DoW. This is gotten wrong a lot, they are the same FOC as mentioned, but separate units. The deploy example in the BRB gives a great example of DOW deployment and how units take up slots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159299-dawn-of-war-deployment-question/#findComment-1867590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Yes, pages 92 and 93 spell it all out quite clearly. If it's not an upgrade for the unit, like weapons or character (like Telion) it's a seperate unit for all purposes; this tends to include deployment... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159299-dawn-of-war-deployment-question/#findComment-1867644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culsandar Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Since all armies in battles routinely walk onto the battlefield and leave their transport in the back. ;) This deployment is one of the dumbest I've seen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159299-dawn-of-war-deployment-question/#findComment-1867860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted February 3, 2009 Author Share Posted February 3, 2009 So, let me get this straight: no vehicles can be deployed until the start of turn 1, unless the vehicle is consisted a troop or HQ choice and there are no more than 2 such troops or 1 such HQ? Wierd. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159299-dawn-of-war-deployment-question/#findComment-1868050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveFleetEzekial Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Being vehicles has nothing to do with it, jeefferson. Nothing else may be deployed, unless the codex specifically says 'may always deploy' or some such(like IG sentinals). Everything else walks/rolls/hops on from the first turn or comes in through resevres (depending on how you chose to have them come in). But, yes... You may only deploy up to 1 HQ unit and 2 troop units. 1 squad + 1 troop transport, 2 squads, 2 troop transports (both empty), 1 squad split into 2 combat squads. Anything that is troops and is a unit unto itself. Same for HQ. 1 HQ unit, be it a commander of some sort (retinues are only allowed, if they are a retinue, as they count as his unit) or an HQ transport(empty). Since all armies in battles routinely walk onto the battlefield and leave their transport in the back. :D This deployment is one of the dumbest I've seen. So the deployment type's name gave no indication of just what type of battle it is? 'Dawn of War'. The begining of the battle. This is the new 'Escelation'. The battle's just starting up and only 'scouts' are, possibly, out in the field. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159299-dawn-of-war-deployment-question/#findComment-1868140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted February 3, 2009 Author Share Posted February 3, 2009 That isn't really help much, but thank you. What I'm trying to get at is can I put a troop selection in a non-dedicated transport, another troop selection in a non-dedicated transport, and a an HQ in a non-dedicated transport on to the battlefield during initial deployment? Or, can I only field 0-2 troop selections and 0-1 HQ selects with no transports, be they dedicated or not? Units that are fielded outside of this restriction do not matter, as they are following a special rule and I assume do not effect the 0-2 Troop and 0-1 HQ restriction. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159299-dawn-of-war-deployment-question/#findComment-1868231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveFleetEzekial Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 As has been said, dedicated transports are seperate units from their squads. So, no.. you may not put 2 troop squads in transports and/or 1hq in transport. They're seperate entities. You may deploy 1 squad and 1 tranport (weather it belongs to the same squad you deployed, weather ot not they are in it. or even a seperate troop transport.). You may deploy 1 HQ unit, or 1 HQ transport. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159299-dawn-of-war-deployment-question/#findComment-1868238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Thats not what he asked Ezekial - "What I'm trying to get at is can I put a troop selection in a non-dedicated transport, another troop selection in a non-dedicated transport, and a an HQ in a non-dedicated transport on to the battlefield during initial deployment?" Answer is -no you may not. That would be 5 units in total. (dedicated or not). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159299-dawn-of-war-deployment-question/#findComment-1868241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadaeux Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 My Ultramarines are a pure drop army. Deployment is of no concern to me ;) :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159299-dawn-of-war-deployment-question/#findComment-1868243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveFleetEzekial Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Thats not what he asked Ezekial - Perhaps, not exactly. The answer was still given, by stating troop/hq transports (which are he only kind that would be able to be deployed). But asking the same question from different angles, after the answer/s have been given, multiple times, isn't going to change the answer given. Up to 1 HQ unit, max. Up to 2 troop units, max. Non-dedicated transports do not fall into either of these categories, as they're all bought from other FOC sections (usualy HS, or fast attack). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159299-dawn-of-war-deployment-question/#findComment-1868245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted February 3, 2009 Author Share Posted February 3, 2009 Answer is -no you may not. That would be 5 units in total. (dedicated or not). Cool! That's what I was looking for. Thank you for the clarification, Morticon! :D SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/159299-dawn-of-war-deployment-question/#findComment-1868279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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