LIONS_SPEAK Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Good Morning EVeryone, A query reading the BRB the Monstrous Creatures are treated like a vehicle for cover saves. Right? Lets say a carnifex is behind a group of gaunts or a small bush can it claim a 4+ cover save. My friend has just played a guy who insists that this is how it works? I think this is wrong as because they are treated like vehicles it only gains a cover save if 50% of the model is obscured from the perspective of the shooter by the area terrain or the intervening unit (IM aware the exceptions but these dont apply to vehicles, do they?) I hope i have explained it just wanted to clear it up as im playing him next week. Many Thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160606-cover-saves-monstrous-creatures/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 you have it correct. 50% obscured to get cover. it can get tricky for mixed units of MC/vehicles and normal models (tyrant and guard, artillery and crew, etc...) but a single MC is pretty cut and dry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160606-cover-saves-monstrous-creatures/#findComment-1884723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIONS_SPEAK Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 I thought i was right my friend who play Blood Angels lost because this guy kept claiming 4+ cover saves off little bushes and gaunts......dirty dirty man. Thanks, I've just got to find a way to beat him now, should be easier. You seem to be becoming my go to man Mr Nighthawks. Many thanks again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160606-cover-saves-monstrous-creatures/#findComment-1884726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culsandar Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Good Morning EVeryone, A query reading the BRB the Monstrous Creatures are treated like a vehicle for cover saves. Right? Lets say a carnifex is behind a group of gaunts or a small bush can it claim a 4+ cover save. My friend has just played a guy who insists that this is how it works? I think this is wrong as because they are treated like vehicles it only gains a cover save if 50% of the model is obscured from the perspective of the shooter by the area terrain or the intervening unit (IM aware the exceptions but these dont apply to vehicles, do they?) I hope i have explained it just wanted to clear it up as im playing him next week. Many Thanks. You answered this for yourself. Lean over, get a models eye view of the MC. If at least half of the body (RAW head, arms, legs, torso) is blocked from view by other models, bushes, soda can, etc. then just like vehicles the model is in cover. Something simply being between the shooter and the MC is not enough, it must cover 50% of the model per the vehicle rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160606-cover-saves-monstrous-creatures/#findComment-1884734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I dont have a page number on me- but its really clearly defined. Ask your nid playing acquaintance to read the passage to you before you play him next :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160606-cover-saves-monstrous-creatures/#findComment-1886150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelmage99 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Yep. Even a couple of Gaunts cannot obscure 50+% of a Carnifex, unless modelled for that effect. Warriors, on the other hand, obscure plenty. And they in turn can get a coversave from Gaunts in front of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160606-cover-saves-monstrous-creatures/#findComment-1886411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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