Custodian Athiair Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Hey i have read the first section in Mechanicum (just when Legio Mortis cross the border) but it has mentioned 4 titan variations: Imperator Warlord Reaver Warhound i would like to know if there are any other Titan and in what size order they are also i have heard of another Titan called the Armageddon Titan which is meant to bigger than the Imperator (and the Imperator is huge) is this ture or not also lastly does anyone have any rules for the Titans (apart from the Warhound and the Warlord in the Apoc book) are they in the Adeptus Mechanicus codex of this forum cause if they are i am reading that ;) thanks in advance Athiair :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160766-size-order-of-titans/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadaeux Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 That is the correct size chart. No there are no CONFIRMED other Titan classes. Thr Armageddon has never been supported or confirmed and both in and out of universe is considered little more than a rumour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160766-size-order-of-titans/#findComment-1886371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 That is the correct size order, as with all Imperial vehicles there are different patterns and variations. In addition there are the Knight Titans, which are significantly smaller. Rules for them can be found at BoLS in their excellent Apocalypse supplement (unoffical, but well recieved) Warhounds and Warlords can be found in the Apocalypse rulebook, Reavers on the FW website. Imperators- - build one first. After that, it's academic. It's an Imperator, you win. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160766-size-order-of-titans/#findComment-1886392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Armageddon? i've never heard of a Titan like that before. anyway there is actually one titan which is supposedly bigger than an imperator. if you want to find out about it i suggest you read Dark Adeptus by ben counter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160766-size-order-of-titans/#findComment-1886552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custodian Athiair Posted February 17, 2009 Author Share Posted February 17, 2009 i have read Dark Ateptus that Titan was the STC and Alaric destoryed it becuase it was controlled by a deamon but really is that it and which BoLS Apoc one the Horus Heresy one? becausse they wern't Knights i thought i thought they were robots programmed to do a certain duty of that battle thanks guys shame about the Armageddon one becuase that would have been awsome also so no rules for the Imperator Titan Athiair ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160766-size-order-of-titans/#findComment-1887021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Custodian Athiair, are you thinking of the Ordinatus Armageddon? There is another variant of the Imperator called the Warmonger. Essentially it was an Imperator specifically configured for long-range support, and it was accompanied by a Lysander aircraft for spotting purposes. It appears in the old specialist game Adeptus Titanicus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160766-size-order-of-titans/#findComment-1887433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 There use to be references that other classes of Titans existed in past Epic 40k game sets (ie, Space Marine and Epic 40,000), with Warhounds, Reavers, Warlords, and Knights being the most numerous. When the Imperator Titan was introduced as the largest of the Titans, there was talk of a Warlord-sized heavy battle Titan known as a Warmonger. However, later on, the Warmonger was stat'd up as a variant Imperator. There is nothing in the fluff to prohibit different Titans from existing; yet there are no offical rules outside of the Warhound and Warlord, with the Reaver still being "experimental" rules. Of the number of Knight Titan rules, the Tim Huckleberry(?) rule set is probably the best tested, which had contributions from former GW and Armorcast employees. Their goal was to be able to field a Knight Titan at about 225 points each, and in squadrons of 3-5. At this point, its okay to build you own design and use rules that are closest to the size of Titan in print. Must people that field Knights stat them as "counts as" Lemon Russ Battle Tanks using the old Armored Company rules from 4th Ed. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160766-size-order-of-titans/#findComment-1887459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custodian Athiair Posted February 18, 2009 Author Share Posted February 18, 2009 hmmm... i like the idea using Lemun Russ rules (armoured company) for Knights becuase it does seem to fit as far as i have read in Mechanicum what is the Ordinatus Armageddon? never heard of it all i have is rumors of the Armageddon Titan not anything else jeffersonian000 do you have those rules to hand (linky?) if not then i'll use the Lemun Russ as them also anyone intrested in helping me create rules for the Imperator (i don't like the Warmonger) i might buy the one the Reaver is in (which book is it?) thanks Athiair :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160766-size-order-of-titans/#findComment-1887726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 what is the Ordinatus Armageddon? never heard of it The Centurio Ordinatus is the division of the AdMech charged with operating the irreplaceable one-of-a-kind vehicles that are known as Ordinatus. They were usually built or used for specific purposes, and named after the planet of original use. So, the Ordinatus Armageddon consisted of a giant Naval-size Nova Cannon mounted on a ground vehicle. The Ordinatus Mars is a massive sonic weapon dating back to the Horus Heresy. They are mostly some form of super-heavy artillery - Link. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160766-size-order-of-titans/#findComment-1887799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadaeux Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 what is the Ordinatus Armageddon? never heard of it The Centurio Ordinatus is the division of the AdMech charged with operating the irreplaceable one-of-a-kind vehicles that are known as Ordinatus. They were usually built or used for specific purposes, and named after the planet of original use. So, the Ordinatus Armageddon consisted of a giant Naval-size Nova Cannon mounted on a ground vehicle. The Ordinatus Mars is a massive sonic weapon dating back to the Horus Heresy. They are mostly some form of super-heavy artillery - Link. The funny part about the Ordinatus Armageddon is that its weapon is clearly NOT a Naval Nova Cannon. A: Too small. The breech on a Naval Nova Cannon is 50 metres across on its own. The length is between a quarter to half kilometre long. B: The operate differently, Ordinatus Armageddon is described and operates as a super-sized plasma cannon. The Naval Nova Cannon is a massive graviometric railgun that fires a warhead the equivalent of 12 Plasma Bombs apparently. (And it's blast radius is estimated to be between 9-12 thousand kilometres.) C: The Ordinatus Armageddon can survive firing. The reason all Nova cannons are mounted on a Warships spine is so that the engines can combat the recoil of firing to stop the ship being destroyed! But it MIGHT be a smaller scale version of the Naval Nova Cannon. EDIT: Some of you may have guessed i'm a "Battlefleet Gothic" Fluff nut by now. If not you will :unsure: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160766-size-order-of-titans/#findComment-1887804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silber Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Psi-Titans have been mentioned a couple of times in official background material, but that's all I can say about them.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160766-size-order-of-titans/#findComment-1887808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Psi-Titans have been mentioned a couple of times in official background material, but that's all I can say about them.... A Psi-Titan was a Warlord with a carapace mounted "Sanctum", which was a sort of mosque or cathedral. It increased the to-hit roll and extanded the range for all of the weapons. The Psycannon? I don't remember; I'm sure it ignored some sort of defense, but I'm sure it wasn't Void Shields. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160766-size-order-of-titans/#findComment-1891103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custodian Athiair Posted February 21, 2009 Author Share Posted February 21, 2009 can i just ask still with Titans roughly how many TItans are in a Titan Legion? becuase i am making backround for my own Legion (i will post up when done) so i just want to know how many Titans here is my preposed list: 1 Imperator Titan 4 Warlord Titans 6 Reavers (3 groups of 2) 9 Warhounds (3 groups of 3) is 20 Titans to many? i don't know should i lower it? or i may change it to lose the Imperator and take another Warlord Titan that is really good (like Deus Tempestus in Mechanicum) but then take another 3 Warhounds what do you think i am going to have the Legion on a the quest with my Salamanders force (this is all fluff but if i had a load and i mean a load of money i would buy this entire force) looking for the Unbound Flame but the Salamanders are not on there own a large Mechanicum force has come with them (becuase a relic from before the Heresy come on they would want to look at that) but if i were to collect this my Salamander force would have to increase quite a lot to about 8000 (instead of 4000) and then the Mechanicum force would be about 6000 with then the enitre Titan Legion there (or a good chunck of it) so basically how big roughly is a titan legion thanks Athiair :P ps. names for the 20 Titans are done i am now going to work on the history of them (still time to change how many titans there are) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160766-size-order-of-titans/#findComment-1891530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Titan Legions very in the number and types of Titans used. The smallest has only 12 Titans, yet those are all Imperator Titans. The average Legion has 4-12 Warlords, 4-12 Reavers, and 8-16 Warhounds, or there abouts. Some have more, some less. The one I'm building for Apocalypse will have 20: 12 Warhound-sized Scout Titans, 4 Reaver-sized light Battle Titans and 4 Warlords. Of course, I'm going to try to screen them with a 4 households of Knights, numbering 10 each, and I'd like to field a Skaatarii regiment composed of "counts as" Grey Knights and "counts as" Sisters of Battle. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160766-size-order-of-titans/#findComment-1892312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custodian Athiair Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 can i ask jerrsonian000 what rules are you using for the Knights? becuase i want to use them as well but i feel that Grey Knights don't really scream Skaatarii to me niether do the SoB becuase the Skaatarii are basically cyber enchaned guardsmen (slighty stronger but not a strong as marines) so i think using SoB and Gk wouldn't work as Skatrii but i have a downloaded Adeptus Mec hanicus codex which is quite good (but it was made i am ghuessing fro 3rd Edition) so i think we should wait for the new guard codex to see what that brings for Adeptus Mechanicus soldiers (as i think that is our closests bet) Athiair :D ps. thanks for titan legion info psps. here is My Titan Legion for you to have a look at Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160766-size-order-of-titans/#findComment-1894249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I'm planning on counting them as Lemon Russ's for now. Grey Knights feel like Praetorians to me, with their heavy armour, stormbolters, and strong close combat attack. Holocaust and Hammerhand can easily be seen as electrical based attacks, while shrouding as Noospheric based Electronic Counter Measure. Since the Adeptus Mechanicus build and maintain teleport devices, deep striking both their Praetorians and heavy Skitarii makes sense. Also, their Land Raiders can easily to seen as Raider-based heavy "crawls". Sisters can field a lot of tracked vehicles based on the same chassis: the Rhino. Take an Immolator kit for example; it can be a dedicated troop transport (Rhino), a fast assault transport (flamer Immolator), a support transport (heavy bolter Immolator), an anti-tank transport (MM Immolator), or a dedicated anti-tank platform (Exorcist). Their armor looks more like gothic carapace armor than actual power armor, and their faith can be explained as archeotech. And let’s not forget that both groups can induct Guard as well as field storm troopers, which can fill the roll of Tech Guard. The only issue with this is that the "Knights" have a BS of 3, while the rest have a BS of 4 or higher. Not a huge problem, though, as the new IG codex may change that while also giving me a more varied weapons load for my “Knights”. I've designed my own light Titan that is slightly taller than a Warhound and more humanoid in appearance; I'm calling it a Myrmidon Light Titan. It will either have two scout-titan sized arm weapons and use the Warhound rules, or mount two battle-titan sized arm weapons and a carapace weapon and use the Reaver experimental rules. For the Warlord, I will be simply increasing the size of my Myrmidons to "Warlord" scale, and mount 2 battle-titan sized arm weapons with two carapace weapons. All the weapons I scratch-build will be modular between the two Titan sizes. Well, that is the plan so far. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/160766-size-order-of-titans/#findComment-1894937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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