Kenmichi Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 While on the subject, in the 5e rules for the Frost Blade how does the bonus attack work with one? In 3e it's specifically stated that it's a power weapon by game terms but adds +1 Str to the wielder. With the new 5e close combat rules and gaining bonus attacks, how do Frost Blades fit in? Do you need another PWE (Power Weapon equivalent), or does it just require another close combat weapon (combat knife/chainsword)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161103-frost-blades-relics-of-the-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2105473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 It just requires another close combat weapon or a pistol. It's a one handed weapon and doesn't have a restriction like Lightning Claws or Thunder Hammers etc. As for the new sprues, I looked at em today and there's actually like 4 double edged Chainswords on each sprue so you get 8 in each box, combined with 1-2 special weapons and the other various cc weapons more than enough to kit whole squads with double bladed chainswords. I'm considering using one as he basis for a remodeling of my Wolf Lord with the new bits. That, the edged shoulder pads and the wolf head helmet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161103-frost-blades-relics-of-the-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2105482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamzey Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 I dont know where you guys get your myths on kracken not having big teeth, do a google search on kracken myths and lore, they are supposed to be giant squids with huge person sized teeth in there mouths, easily big enough for a "whole" sword or spear head. i mean even check out pirates of the carribean they have a kracken which fits exactly to how a kracken should be according to myths, you see those teeth? that being said, you could model one how ever you wanted, because fluff is not rules and if you like your frost blade to be a blue tiped spear then your frost blade is a blue tipped spear. but i think mine will just be the double sided chainsword from the spacewolves sprue because thats easier and still looks pretty ruthless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161103-frost-blades-relics-of-the-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2105485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 I dont know where you guys get your myths on kracken not having big teeth, do a google search on kracken myths and lore, they are supposed to be giant squids with huge person sized teeth in there mouths, easily big enough for a "whole" sword or spear head. i mean even check out pirates of the carribean they have a kracken which fits exactly to how a kracken should be according to myths, you see those teeth? Did that and I see some with huge teeth, but many that don't have anything larger than a knife. Some don't even have teeth at all but a beak or small, thin spines. There is no one style of Kraken in myths and legends or fantasy and artwork. However because the SW codexies ONLY talk about Chainswords made from Kraken Teeth there is really no fluff justification for any other kind of Frost Blade type weapon made from Kraken Teeth. Other monsters horns/teeth, yes, kraken? Not really. that being said, you could model one how ever you wanted, because fluff is not rules and if you like your frost blade to be a blue tiped spear then your frost blade is a blue tipped spear. but i think mine will just be the double sided chainsword from the spacewolves sprue because thats easier and still looks pretty ruthless. That has been said many, many, many times before. However this thread and the article that is it's subject is about the fluff behind Frost Blades and how to model them in a fluffy manner. If you want to do something else, fine, but that's not the purpose here. I am really getting tired of having to repeat that. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161103-frost-blades-relics-of-the-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2105494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenmichi Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Thank you for the response, Vash. Also, in the Raptor box set and in the Berzerker sprue there are double sided chainswords. Though I think the new ones look more fitting for a chainsword Frost Blade anyhow. But if you do it right you can make your own with 2 normal chain swords. Again, if you do it right. The key, as someone stated, is to make the sword look ornate. You could make a standard chainsword look ornate, just slap some purity seals on it, maybe cast the gem from the GH torso or a small wolf skull, spruce up the hilt and guard, or add some hoses or wires to the motor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161103-frost-blades-relics-of-the-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2105501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamzey Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 fair enough, so they have to be chainn wepons, thats cool as with me. although a chainmace would be cool and not that hard to model would that still not go with the fluff even though it would be a chain wepon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161103-frost-blades-relics-of-the-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2105505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 Also, in the Raptor box set and in the Berzerker sprue there are double sided chainswords. Though I think the new ones look more fitting for a chainsword Frost Blade anyhow. But if you do it right you can make your own with 2 normal chain swords. Again, if you do it right. If you look at the first post you'll see a pic of my Wolf Lord with a Frost Blade modeled from two Chainswords cut down and stuck together. Though I'll be tossing most of him in Simple Green when October rolls around and remodeling him with bits from the new Space Wolves sprues including one of the double bladed chainswords for his Frost Blade though I might cut two of them down to make one longer blade, they do look a little thin compared to your normal chunky chainsword. fair enough, so they have to be chainn wepons, thats cool as with me. although a chainmace would be cool and not that hard to model would that still not go with the fluff even though it would be a chain wepon? Any chainweapon would be fairly easy to justify fluff wise, axe, halbard, claws. You could model a chainblade coming from a Terminator's Helmet and call it a Frost Blade if you really felt like it I suppose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161103-frost-blades-relics-of-the-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2105516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamzey Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 cool, but im probably going to do the same as you, use the one from the sprue, although i never thought about making it longer untill you mentioned it lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161103-frost-blades-relics-of-the-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2105523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligncomedy Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Also, in the Raptor box set and in the Berzerker sprue there are double sided chainswords. Though I think the new ones look more fitting for a chainsword Frost Blade anyhow. But if you do it right you can make your own with 2 normal chain swords. Again, if you do it right. If you look at the first post you'll see a pic of my Wolf Lord with a Frost Blade modeled from two Chainswords cut down and stuck together. Though I'll be tossing most of him in Simple Green when October rolls around and remodeling him with bits from the new Space Wolves sprues including one of the double bladed chainswords for his Frost Blade though I might cut two of them down to make one longer blade, they do look a little thin compared to your normal chunky chainsword. On the topic of Berserkers, My last frostblade was made by a lengthened Single Edge Berserker chainsword (I love how they are fatter) and a Torquemada hammer hand. Chances are I'll remodel it later though. Preferrably with Devotee Malicant's chainsword from the Inquisitor Range (I'll probably truescale or termi armor the wolf lord). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161103-frost-blades-relics-of-the-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2105654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
courage&honor Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 While I agree with the written fluff and choose to model my frost weapons as chain weapons, what about the pics we have of models that can be constructed from the wolf pack box. There is a model equipped with what is clearly a two handed power axe, but the caption reads "wolf guard with frost axe". This goes against two things we've always thought, chain teeth and its two handed not one? Relic blade sure, frost axe no. But is GW being more loose these days with its fluff and WYSIWYG, or did some tool in the bowels of GW who writes their advertisements not actually play the game or have a clue what he is doing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161103-frost-blades-relics-of-the-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2105915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedMoon Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 i worked for GW so im going to say the latter on that one lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161103-frost-blades-relics-of-the-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2105943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 While I agree with the written fluff and choose to model my frost weapons as chain weapons, what about the pics we have of models that can be constructed from the wolf pack box. There is a model equipped with what is clearly a two handed power axe, but the caption reads "wolf guard with frost axe". This goes against two things we've always thought, chain teeth and its two handed not one? Relic blade sure, frost axe no. But is GW being more loose these days with its fluff and WYSIWYG, or did some tool in the bowels of GW who writes their advertisements not actually play the game or have a clue what he is doing? Neither. If you read back a little in this thread you'll see the answer. Now apparently Frost Blades are either "chainswords made from kraken teeth" or "axes made from diamond" or something like that. So it looks like the designers threw in another option for people who don't like the kraken tooth Chainsword option but made from something other than kraken teeth. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161103-frost-blades-relics-of-the-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2106213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoll Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 In the end you can do what you want but fluff states its a chain weapon with kraken tooth, But there not being a bigg enoug kraken to make a sword from a tooth, i feel there is, but in the end its only a game and there is no real truth. the fluff also stated that frost blades are made from energized diamonds , not just kraken teeth. Also to note on the no kraken teeth big enough thing....just so you know krakens on fenris are said to be miles long in the fluff. Also squids have teeth on their suckers and a huge beak, the kraken is modeled after the squid if the kraken was miles long, the sucker teeth would be as long as swords (albeit hooked) and the beak would be as large a marine if not larger Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161103-frost-blades-relics-of-the-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2730854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverik_girl Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 In the end you can do what you want but fluff states its a chain weapon with kraken tooth, But there not being a bigg enoug kraken to make a sword from a tooth, i feel there is, but in the end its only a game and there is no real truth. the fluff also stated that frost blades are made from energized diamonds , not just kraken teeth. Also to note on the no kraken teeth big enough thing....just so you know krakens on fenris are said to be miles long in the fluff. Also squids have teeth on their suckers and a huge beak, the kraken is modeled after the squid if the kraken was miles long, the sucker teeth would be as long as swords (albeit hooked) and the beak would be as large a marine if not larger you should take note on when Max_Dammit posted that date. Feb 24 2009. I'm pretty sure Max was referring to what most of us knew, before the 5th edition codex had revised the fluff on frost blades. I'm new at gaming but I've read the books and fluff before I started playing. Anyway, before the current edition, frost blades came from kraken tooth, indicated on pg. 15 back in April of 2000. The new 5th edition Space Wolf codex was released on Oct 2009. So to be fair, Max wasn't wrong. As he posted his comment before the new codex came out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161103-frost-blades-relics-of-the-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2730871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 For visualization purposes....... http://corpserun.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/12_09_kraken_02.jpg http://armorcast.com/store/images/Kraken.JPG Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161103-frost-blades-relics-of-the-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2731090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoll Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 yeah but the kraken teeth are still large enough to make swords by emselves anyhow Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161103-frost-blades-relics-of-the-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2731150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I used the Khornate chain axe for one of my Wolf Lords. Frost blades I generally paint the housing red, and the teeth blue/white so as to distinguish them from normal chainswords which are black with silver teeth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161103-frost-blades-relics-of-the-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2731674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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