Peck Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Hi, I don't know if this should be in WiP or not, since it's indeed a picture of an unfinished squad, but a picture of a finished miniature. So if anyone's particularly offended by where it's posted, I suppose a mod will just have to move it. First up, I'll cut to the chase: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/penguin-91210/Marine.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/penguin-91210/maRINE2.jpg My latest finished (number 5) marine from the ten-man tactical squad I've been working on. Now a bit about me: I'm an art student and illustrator by day; I used to paint Warhammer from about 2001 till 2003 or 04. I've never actually played a game in my life. I suppose making and painting the models was more a creative outlet than anything else. In-fact it was how I first learned to use paint in general and I still use techniques that you model painters take for granted most-everytime I do a 2D picture with it. Anyway, a month or so ago I decided to pick the hobby up again (albeit casually). Though I also like Tau alright, I'm making a small Space Marine force for two reasons: one, I won't have to paint as many models and risk getting bored as much before I have a playable "army" and 2. they suit the look I wanted to go for. I wanted to see if I could apply what I know about art and such to miniatures. Specifically, I try to reject the standard "highlight the edges" style that Games Workshop recommend. I also avoid using absolute pure black, which painters nomally do as it tends to make things really dull, lifeless and flat. I wanted to do a red Chapter, honestly, because my favourite colour's red. I'm going for a desert, industrial, oil/mining look to try and differentiate them from the Blood Angels, with emphasis on the use of yellow and black along as well as the red. (This, I guess, makes them look a bit like walking fire extinguishers.) Any comments, criticisms or questions, please don't hesistate to post! Oh, and if you have any ideas for a name for the Chapter you'd like to share I'd be greatly appretiative. Here's an Illustrator drawing of their insignia: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/penguin-91210/RazeSymbol.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortarion Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Looks good. The wear and tear/battle damage is nice. My only critisism is the bolter. Compared to the rest of the model it looks kinda dull. Either it needs more highlighting/shading to add depth or some other colour on parts of it. But overall, a job well done! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1892520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 The mini looks to be very well done, and you're certainly talented with paint. I quite like your insignia, too - simple, but attractive and effective. Are you a graphic student or simply an art student? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1892998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubernator Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Wow, decent stuff. Loving the mini, the freehand is really good too. Man if all your models are to this quality then you're really good :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1893014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelias Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 why not just call them "the extinguishers" fits well enough :) excellent paint job aswell, you should be proud Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1893387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjack13 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 THANK YOU!! Someone else who hates extreme highlights!! I'm not the only one who thinks they look wrong (though I've seen some one here that have been done VERY well!!) I really like the mini, at first I though BA (but I do with most predominantly red marines) but then noticed the details - really cool, you even made the seperate colour elbow pads (which is something I usually hate) look good!! The battle damage/wear is very well done too. I dunno something about this guy just does it for me (never thought I'd say that!!). I love the base too. A while back I'd planned on doing an Imperial Guard army with a similar style of base but never got round to it, so it's cool to see someone else put, in my opinion, such a cool looking 'theme' into practice!! I don't suppose it would be possible for a tutorial would it? Not for Imperial Guard (*weeps at new 'dex rumours*) but for my Ash Waste Nomads and PDFD? That style base would be perfect for the Ash Wastes that cover Necromunda!! As for a name, I know these aren't really origianl but: Harbingers of the Flame; Inferno Brotherhood; Brotherhood of Fire; Flame Brethren; Exemplar Incendio (Italian for 'Blaze'). just a couple... Again, awesome job, consider your work watched!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1893462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfside Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 call them 'the crucifiers' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1893571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurasuke Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I think that it'd make a good Salamander's successor. Maybe go with something on that theme? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1893626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemFX Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I want to make a Flash Gordon related joke, but I can't remember the series well enough. Though, you could probably use some of that story as inspiration.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1893681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandalphon Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Cool looking mini, great logo too - love the dust and scratches, theyre really effective against the dull red - great job! As for a name, for some reason they make me think of the Calgary Flames so i'm thinking Flames of Vengeance/ Wrath etc? Emperor's Flames? Flames of the Emperor? Incinerators? Conflagators? Immolators? etc etc.. original i know :lol: Burning Legion? :P Something Torch related? Torch Bearers? /sigh so much for thinking out loud :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1893717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peck Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 Thanks for the input, everybody. It's given me a bit more drive to finish the rest of the squad. (This will be a momentous occasion for me. Back when I was twelve/thirteen I'd always get bored of painting the same colours every couple of models and make the next ones of a different chapter.) My only critisism is the bolter. Compared to the rest of the model it looks kinda dull. Either it needs more highlighting/shading to add depth or some other colour on parts of it. I know what you mean and thanks. I really don't want to make excuses and blame it on photos, but the warm light coming from the left of these photos sort of makes it hard to see my scheme for the weapons: the bolter's casing and clip are actually painted khaki. The initial reason because I wanted to paint it green to contrast with the red armour; only without painting it green. Commando Khaki I thought was just green enough to give a bit of contrast, plus gave the gun a sort of desert combat look. Are you a graphic student or simply an art student? Strictly speaking I'm an art student (second year of my undergraduate study for a Bachelor of Visual Arts, majoring in Drawing and Printmedia with a complimentary in Animation) but I've done a fair bit of graphic design sort of stuff before. But my forté's always been drawing. Why do you ask? love the base too... I don't suppose it would be possible for a tutorial would it? If these guys generate enough interest as I post some more pictures (hopefully coming this weekend when I get a bit of time to set up lights et cetera) then I'd be happy to try and make a tutorial when I next start a new Marine. But if you specifically want one on the base I can give you one right now, since it's the most straight-forward thing on my models: 1. A home-brew mix of assorted sand and kitty litter (for the larger rocks) stuck onto the base with PVA glue. I do this without the guys stuck onto the base for two reasons. Firstly, so as to not get stray marks of brown across their legs and having to touch them up again; and secondly because I find that when you stick the sand around their feet it gives the impression that the Marine's sunk into the ground somewhat. This looks great for "softer" bases like mud, but since I wanted my environment to look hard and dusty I choose not to do this. 2. An up-close blast or two with Chaos Black Spray. 3. A basecoat of Graveyard Earth. Generally at least two coats of this, or until I'm satisfied that there's no black showing through. 4. A liberal dry-brush of 50:50 Graveyard and Bleached Bone. 5. A slightly less liberal dry-brush of straight Bleached Bone. 6. Shadow Grey around the rim. I do this instead of painting the rim brown like the rest because I think it gives the impression of concrete, hinting that although it's in a desert/wasteland, there's still ruined buildings/factories and the like nearby. Then I just stick the Marine on with a little bit of epoxy putty under his feet. I kept the bases very simple so that they didn't compete with the model itself. Also they don't add any unnecessarily colours to the palette. (The brown uses the same colours as the purity seals and to a lesser extent, the Bolter. The model's black parts are mostly Shadow Grey.) I think that it'd make a good Salamander's successor. And I'd agree, but the problem is I'd actually wanted them to be more shooty than assault/setting things alight. B) My own ideas for names have preference on the words "raze" and "ignis". I used a flame more to symbolise that they sweep through and devastate their enemies, leaving nothing behind. That and it links them back to oil fields... and since my biggest inspiration was from the pyro from Team Fortress 2. ;) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/penguin-91210/pyro_back.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1895301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Are you a graphic student or simply an art student? Strictly speaking I'm an art student (second year of my undergraduate study for a Bachelor of Visual Arts, majoring in Drawing and Printmedia with a complimentary in Animation) but I've done a fair bit of graphic design sort of stuff before. But my forté's always been drawing. Why do you ask? Looking at the icon you've created for the chapter, it, to me, seems to be a very well executed piece of graphic design (in addition to the crispness of the graphic, which leads me to believe it was created in vector format?). Very simple, but very effective. I myself am a design student - Industrial Design to be specific. Design stuff always interests me ;) Looking forward to seeing more minis from you. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1895646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjack13 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Thanks for the (mini) tutorial!! Been after a decent desert base painting guide for ages, now, thanks to you, I have one - cheers!! Think I'll use that on my Steel Brethren (CSM) and Protectorate of Menoth (Warmachine) as well as my Ash Wastes stuff, though I'm gonna do 'em with brown rims for the opposite reason to why you did grey. Thanks again and I can't wait to see this army progress!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1895690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarInHeaven Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 SWEET! <_< if you compair this to my models after 4 years of experiens, i feel deeply depressing :) as for the name (i know i shoudn't, but) Fire Lords Flame gods Pyromasers if u want to go for a totaly ****-up name: The Infurno Pyromaniacs Fire Flies cheers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1895772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemFX Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Brushfire, flashfire, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1897183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaret Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Great models dude , I think the scheme is really quite effective and original As for names how about Shadows of Ignis? Or maybe Paladins sounds more Space Mariney. Warriors of Ignis sounds a bit boring. Stalwarts of Ignis...makes them sound weak ;) Good to see you planned something before you started painting. Keep up the good work :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1897424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuchinawa Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Templars of The Flame? Ehh All I got Nice model. Did you coat it with EPIC WIN or what :D That's really cool, I like the feel that you give to it. I'll keep my eye out for more of your stuff. Now I want to see one with Melta bombs and a Flamer :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1897827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akozz Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Awesome marine, i love this kind of red and chipped armor. I would love to see more pictures of your marine, and some bigger ones :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1898210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peck Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 Okay, I promised I'd get some more photos this weekend, so here we are: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/penguin-91210/Squad_5_of_10.jpg Here's what's "done" of my squad so far. I say 'done' ambiguously because most of them still have little details I need to go back and work on but probably never will. They're the First Squad of the Second Company (notice the yellow stripes on their knees). I mentioned in my last post that Team Fortress 2 was a source of inspiration for me and this army. If anyone was wondering how or why, the idea originally started because for the last year I've been right into American art and illustration from the first half of the Twentieth Century, an era that Valve sourced from extensively for Team Fortress' visuals. The design of the nine different classes put a lot of focus on readability, prioritising the player being able to at a glance identify what team another character is on (RED or BLU), which class they're playing (via their sillhouette) and what weapon they're wielding. In order to achieve the last effect, they designed the classes' outfits to have a subtle gradient (two or more colours blurring into one another) with emphasis on their chests, where the weapon is generally held. Obviously, since Warhammer models are completely static and the game doesn't exactly depend on twitch reflexes, instant readability isn't really vital. Still, I like the idea of working a gradient of colour into my Marines' paint scheme in order to get them to really 'pop' from the table and be more interesting to look at. Instead of the chest, I made the gradient climax at the head/shoulder region, putting emphasis on their face and insignias. Hopefully this makes people realise that they're not, in-fact, Blood Angels even quicker. ;) It also gives the illusion of a light source, rather than the Marines' Power Armour being painted in two different colours. If you care to look, you might realise that while their feet are a very dark burgandy washed with purple, stippled with dust and their uppermost parts are pure Blazing Orange, the squad still reads as simply being red. Of course, the Team Fortress influence eventually ended up going a little deeper; the game's frequent deserted industrial/mining settings the most prominant. Here's a shot of the two I'm working on at the moment: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/penguin-91210/WiP_1.jpg Those are baby food lids they're Blu-Tacked to. Makes it so much easier to handle them during painting when you aren't getting cramps from grabbing onto a tiny little base for hours at a time. A few other quick notes about my guys (before I start waffling too much): - Their eyes are blue to further seperate them from the Blood Angels, as well as the fact that blue contrasts with the yellow as well as the red. It also has the added benefit of being usable for plasma coils and power weapons without breaking the pallete. - They don't have an over-abundance of purity seals, scrolls or robes because I wanted them to look utilitarian. My chapter's view is that you can serve the Emperor better through firing bullets than you can wearing a dress and writing on yourself. - I want them all to be helmeted. Really, I love painting faces, but I find that Marines look more cold, calculating and efficient with masked faces than they do bare-headed and screaming. Don't get me wrong, this looks awesome for other chapters, it just doesn't suit mine. - For similar reasons, all the paint chips are meant to look like they're from general wear, not wrestling with a Carnifex. Again, this can look awesome, but I wanted my guys to look shooty and precise. - Yeah. I tend to think things through. A lot. And to wrap this post up, a work-inprogress shot of Sergeant Elvgrin; my first attempt at "converting." http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/penguin-91210/WiP_2.jpg I haven't sworn at a piece of plastic as much as I did trying to swap that hand around. he's going to be holding an auspex in the other, so I've got to twist the wrist around make his thumb grasping it. Also got to find a way to get a helmeted head into that collar. Any tips are appretiated! Thanks for looking! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1902155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peakey Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Nice! How about; Inferno Legion, Hellfire Lords? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1902291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blood_raven_240 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Beautiful combat squad, Peck! Looking forward to seeing more of these Fiery Dudes :) By the way, do you think it helps being an Art Student, when it comes to painting? (I know, it sounds like a stupid question, but I mean... with the knowledge of light sources and whatever?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1902295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peck Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 By the way, do you think it helps being an Art Student, when it comes to painting? Being an art student? No. Being practised in art? Yes. A bit. Honestly, almost everything I know about colour and design and such I got from my own research and practising through the years. Hell, I even picked much of it up back when I was thirteen*, reading White Dwarf painting articles. I don't actually study painting, so I've really learned very little about colour and lighting from being at the Art School that I didn't already know. (Which, admittedly dissappoints me because I'd really like to know more.) I also learned a lot from just looking at other people's work and taking mental notes of what I liked. Try www.conceptart.org for some really, really inspiring stuff. Hell, I think some of the guys there have even done some Warhammer illustrations. *I'm nineteen, turning twenty, by-the-way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1902318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codex Grey Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Very nice job, if I may say so. Personally they remind me of the Angels of Fire, Linky Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1902450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blood_raven_240 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Interesting, Codex Grey. Our chapter here could be Successors of those Angels of Fire? Or even, they could both be Successors of the same chapter? Something to think about on the fluff side of things :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1902453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Great work on the new batch. I like your methodology behind them, too. As for the head on the sergeant - Filing down the back of the 'neck bubble' on the head should work, you may need to slightly file down the back of the helmet itself, too. Best bet is to decide on the position of the head first, and then start filing. It's not difficult at all. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161203-the-start-of-my-army/#findComment-1902750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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