chaplain belisarius Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 I know its not a marine question but im very perplexed!!! if i have a hammerhead with a railgun and smart missile system and i do not move at all, can i shoot the railgun at one target, such as a tank and fire the smart missile system at another target? I think i am able to, but the rules are not very clear in the weapon entry. for the greater good, please help me... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thantoes Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 You should know better than to pose this question on this forum. However if its for the greater good.... Yes, if you fit the right bit of wargear you can target seperate units with the SMS though I cant for the life of me remember what its called. I believe however that the entry for it is in the "suits" section of the codex though I could be wrong *edit* spelling Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1898432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain belisarius Posted February 26, 2009 Author Share Posted February 26, 2009 thank you so much, i will tell the ethereals of your efforts when i return to tau... im reading and re reading the entry and scratching my head...cannot figure it out! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1898447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Target Lock, was that it? There are two or three "targeting" upgrades available for suits and infantry, one allows them to fire two weapons instead of one, one grants them +1 BS, and one allows them to fire at a different target than the rest of the unit. Some of them may be available for vehicles as well. If it is, it will be listed in the armoury where the vehicle wargear is described. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1898466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thantoes Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Could very well be. I havent played my Tau in about 8 months but I do remember being legally allowed to fire my hammerheads SMS's at different targets. The tau wagear section is a bit tricky as they do sometimes have entries in different sections that you would think they are. Suit stuff in infantry, vehicle stuff in suits. Blasted xeno's always have to make things difficult ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1898541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bystrom Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 You may ask rules questions about any rules relating to Warhammer 40k. They do not have to be just those rules contained with the Marine Codex or PA related rules in the Big Black Book. You can discuss rules relating to other armies here; that rules only pertain to PA related rules can be discussed seem to be assumed a lot...Unfortunately can't assist in answering the OP's question. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1898553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveFleetEzekial Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 You should know better than to pose this question on this forum. He can 'know better', or not, all he wants. B&C has been open to non-PA orriented questions for several months now. Quit laggin behind ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1898554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsPug Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Hi Legatus was right. You need a piece of wargear called a target lock, it allows each weapon on the vehicle to fire at a different target. its on page 31 of Codex: Tau Empire Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1898592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Hey, with Tau you have to remember that infantry, suits and vehicles all have seperate wargear options... Important facts to know about tau vehicles: Target lock allows you to fire at different targets.. Targetting array gives +1BS, this is standard on hammerheads Multi-tracker allows the vehicle to fire as if it were a fast vehicle... Disruption pod: weapons firing at vehicle from more than 12" treats the vehicle as obscured. Flechette discharger: enemy in CC with vehicle are wounded on 4+ And Hammerhead railgun may fire submunition round....(large template) The most confusing question for me is does the gun drones count as a seperate 'unit', they are listed under weapon systems, but form their own unit once the vehicle is destroyed... If we included them as a 'seperate' unit they could fire at a different unit independant of their vehicle regardless of the target lock upgrade.... Personally i think its like the retinue rule with IC's they dont count as independant until after the rest of the unit (vehicle) has been destroyed.... Hope all this helps you all in your endeavours to defeat the fishy xenos scum :lol: GC08 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1898635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thantoes Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 You should know better than to pose this question on this forum. He can 'know better', or not, all he wants. B&C has been open to non-PA orriented questions for several months now. Quit laggin behind ;) Indeed, I am behind the times :D you young whippersnappers are leaving me behind :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1898643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castus Xanthis Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 The drones on a hammerhead don't. Only the ones on the Devilfish can detatch and form their own unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1898730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsPug Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Hi Bit off the topic but... Drones on any tau vehicle can detach, not just the DF. page 30 of Codex: Tau Empire just says... "a vehicle" not "a devilfish". plus I think the FAQ gives rules for piranha squadrons dropping drone (they become one big unnit rather than units of 2) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1898742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 The gun drone entry (pg 30 of the foul xeno codex) states they can seperate during the movement phase, regardless of what vehicle is transporting them. Also they may always fire regardless of restrictions on how many weapons may normaly be fired therfore the vehicles may move max speed and both gun drones may fire (though they do so at BS 2) and still must abid by normal targeting rules (aka the vehicle can only target one unit unless it has wargear that allows otherwise). If the vehicle is destroyed they seperate as if they were embarked on a transport that was destroyed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1898773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveFleetEzekial Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 HiBit off the topic but... Drones on any tau vehicle can detach, not just the DF. page 30 of Codex: Tau Empire just says... "a vehicle" not "a devilfish". plus I think the FAQ gives rules for piranha squadrons dropping drone (they become one big unnit rather than units of 2) 'Drones', yes. But if you give a HH SMS, they cease to be drones and are just a built in weapon system. Which is what I believe Castus was getting at. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1899322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 And those cute little drones don't become their own unit until they detach in the movement phase, technically. They are not a seperate unit until then for any purpose or from any consequence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1899603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 'Drones', yes. But if you give a HH SMS, they cease to be drones and are just a built in weapon system. Which is what I believe Castus was getting at. Yup you upgrade the drones to the smart missile system, my question was really an attempt to clear up all complex questions that may arise when destroying htose foul xenos :D GC08 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1899727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castus Xanthis Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 You are correct. The SMS drones on a hammerhead cannot detatch, ever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1899929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Caedus Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 If you wanted to get technical, when you upgrade the Gun Drones to a SMS, they become a part of the Hammerheads' weapons systems, and then you could knock them off with a weapon destroyed result. The Gun Drones, on the other hand, aren't a weapons system, they act as passengers until they "disembark," and become their own unit. Therefore, the SMS isn't actually a drone at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1900032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castus Xanthis Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I merely call them drones since the models are identical in every way with the exception of armament. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1900042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevianID Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Also, if you move more than 6 you cant shoot the drones, correct, cause you cant shoot at all if you move more than 6 inches? Unless you are fast of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1901790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Also, if you move more than 6 you cant shoot the drones, correct, cause you cant shoot at all if you move more than 6 inches? Unless you are fast of course. You can fire the drones, they have their own rule that alow them to fire in adition to any attacks you would normaly be allowed, but they are at bs 2 and by themselves do not allow you to target different units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1902222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maligoare Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Also, if you move more than 6 you cant shoot the drones, correct, cause you cant shoot at all if you move more than 6 inches? Unless you are fast of course. You can fire the drones, they have their own rule that alow them to fire in adition to any attacks you would normaly be allowed, but they are at bs 2 and by themselves do not allow you to target different units. Unfortunately, the FAQ ammended that so that the drones can only fire if at least one other weapon on the vehicle can fire. Not really a problem, just take the Multitracker and count as a Fast vehicle for firing... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1903744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain belisarius Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 thank you...my hammerheads need target locks then...as do my broadsides...B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161640-smart-missile-systems-and-firing/#findComment-1906888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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