Can IST's ride in a GKLR / GKLRC?

[mortiferum]

I would have said - yes. Since the LR's are purchased from the Heavy Support section of the FOC and therefore are not dedicated transports.

 

However, if I look are either GK Landraider entries - there is a small section titled Transport - it specifically mentions that the GKLR or GKLRC can transport GKT or PAGK.

 

Are these just examples (NOT an exhaustive list of models) to illustarte the differences between the number of models it can transport based on the armour (power armour / terminator armour) they are wearing OR is it specific (an exhaustive list) to which model and only those models can be transported?

 

How does this compare to other Landraider entries?

 

Morty

[number6]

By the letter of the RAW, it appears that only GKs/GKTs may ride around in a GK LR or GK LRC.

 

However, I can't think of anybody -- myself included -- that would deny the use of the GK vehicles to ISTs. They are bought as heavy support choices, and in every other case I can think of, transport vehicles (bought as a Force Org choice) aren't specifically dedicated to only one specific codex unit entry as opposed to general game unit type (i.e., usually Infantry). It may no be very fluffy for anybody not a GK to ride around in the raiders, but I'm not an extreme fluff Nazi when it comes to playing the game, and I doubt most of your opponents will be either. Heck, if you hadn't mentioned it, I would have totally forgotten about that rules verbiage myself; the common convention is so hardwired into my brain.

 

Regarding "other" land raider entries, I can find no examples akin to the GK raiders. Note that by the RAW, ISTs won't be able to ride around in Inquisitorial land raiders from the DH codex because they can only be bought as dedicated transports by an Inquisitor with a retinue. ISTs are never part of a retinue, and we are still saddled with that limiting rules verbiage on p. 30. If, however, you're allying ISTs into a space marines army that has land raiders in it, you're good to go.

[Grand Master Tyrak]

Yes - it was covered in the very first FAQ of Codex: Daemonhunters published in WD 28-something. That specific question came up, and whilst the studio couldn't think of a reason why you would do it the answer was yes, you can. :D

[Brother Delias]

On the flip side of this... if you play a radical(which I do), and take daemonhosts(which I do). Then it states that you cannot take GK forces. I would assume that GK equipment(aka: GK/LRs) would not be useable by your Inquisitor Lord.

[number6]

On the flip side of this... if you play a radical(which I do), and take daemonhosts(which I do). Then it states that you cannot take GK forces. I would assume that GK equipment(aka: GK/LRs) would not be useable by your Inquisitor Lord.

Yep. Can't take any heavy support beyond an Orbital Strike if you don't also have a GK Hero as one of your HQs. A GK Hero is a prerequisite for dreads and raiders.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

You can't do it, because the unit entry says so. It may seem stupid, but there is a valid fluff reason (as well as very clear-cut rules as to why).

 

Firstly, on pg 32 of the Daemonhunters codex, the unit entries state that (combining the two to save space) ;

 

'Transport: A Landraider/Crusader may carry up to 10/15 Grey Knights in power armour or 5/8 Grey Knight Terminators'

 

There it is, black and white. You can't load them up with anything except PAGK or GKT's.

 

Regarding "other" land raider entries, I can find no examples akin to the GK raiders.

 

Yeah, and that should highlight to all of us what an exception it is to 'normal' circumstances. With normal Space Marines, it's acceptable for them to use Landraiders to convey any of their battle-brothers to war. However, GW went as far as writing an explicit instruction of 'this is all you can transport', to underscore just how rare and restricted Grey Knight Landraiders are. They can't be used simply to cart around anyone, they're strictly for the use of the Grey Knights. Even Inquisitors can't get access to them, you need the authority of a senior member of the Chapter (a Grandmaster or a highly regarded Brother-Captain) to field them, and even still GK Landraiders are only for transporting other Knights, not lesser mortals.

 

It may seem like an arbritrary restriction, but it reinforces the 'never wasted on lesser conflicts' mentality of the Grey Knights. Even the basic squads of Grey Knights are typically only deployed when an actual breach in space-time occurs; it would probably take conflicts on a scale of say the 1st War for Armageddon to see GK vehicles deployed.

[Grand Master Tyrak]

Reclusiarch Darius Posted Today, 12:40 PM

You can't do it, because the unit entry says so. It may seem stupid, but there is a valid fluff reason (as well as very clear-cut rules as to why).

 

Firstly, on pg 32 of the Daemonhunters codex, the unit entries state that (combining the two to save space) ;

 

'Transport: A Landraider/Crusader may carry up to 10/15 Grey Knights in power armour or 5/8 Grey Knight Terminators'

 

There it is, black and white. You can't load them up with anything except PAGK or GKT's.

 

This was sorted in the very first FAQ they did for C: DH.

[number6]

This was sorted in the very first FAQ they did for C: DH.

True enough, but that FAQ hasn't been applicable -- or even available -- for years.

 

Doesn't mean most people wouldn't allow the GK raiders to transport any friendly unit, however. I just don't think people care that much at game time. :P

[Brother Delias]

true enough... I don't worry too much about it though... I am the only one in my area that plays any of the ordos, and I like having a 'special' landraider for my Inquisitor... hence why I have a pre-heresy Raider for him.

[Prathios]

I like sticking my inquisitor in there too, I give him a teleport beacon just in case and run it toward the enemy lines, Its a ruse because my oponent will assume its full of GKT's but its not, the Inq hops out throws down the beacon and then I pray for a good dice roll on the reserve table so my PAGK can teleport down and throw down two incinerator shots. So its a double useful tactic cause it forces a reaction from the opponent, it draws fire allowing my IST's to go capture objectives or move up the board, and its just plain neat :cuss

[Brother Delias]

It is a verry neat model, doesn't have as manuverable a fire arc as a standard STC Landraider, But in my baleif, even IF a tank has full armor all the way around, you still shouldn't have any need for the enemy to see the rear of your tanks... besides, I have a raider for my chappy and termis that the inquisitor are allied to.

[Grand Master Tyrak]

Prathios Posted Today, 03:24 PM

I like sticking my inquisitor in there too, I give him a teleport beacon just in case and run it toward the enemy lines,

 

If that's all you use it for, why not just buy the Inquisitor a Land Raider as a transport and save the Heavy Support slot?

 

Edit - Spelling.

[Prathios]

When I do use it like that I do buy it for my HQ... oddly I almost never use all three heavy support choices, I almost always use 2 almost never use 3... GK's are so expensive!!!

 

In my last 1500 point game I took 2 (10 man) squads of IST's all with Melta/Plasma (I was fighting Necrons with the Nightbringer, I needed big punch stuff) I took a full squad of GKT led by Stern (for fun and I like the reroll) and 1 squad of PAGK as fast attack. GKT were mounted in a LRC and both the IST's had a rhino. The only heavy support choice I used was my Las/ML Dready.

 

I won cause Stern one shot the Nightbringer with his force weapon... what are the odds of that? like 1/20 or something? Its so hard just to land a wound on him.

[Grand Master Iapetus]

In my last 1500 point game I took 2 (10 man) squads of IST's all with Melta/Plasma (I was fighting Necrons with the Nightbringer, I needed big punch stuff) I took a full squad of GKT led by Stern (for fun and I like the reroll) and 1 squad of PAGK as fast attack. GKT were mounted in a LRC and both the IST's had a rhino. The only heavy support choice I used was my Las/ML Dready.

 

Any time I know I am rolling against Necrons, I will usually forego the ISTs and swap them for GK spaming the Psycannons for the C'Tan. In a tourney setting, you may not have that luxury depending on your playstyle...

[mortiferum]

Regarding "other" land raider entries, I can find no examples akin to the GK raiders.

 

Thanks for all the replies, very insightful...For completeness, I've been notified about one other land raider entry that also suffers with a similar problem.

 

In the Black Templer codex - LR/LRC's are able to carry specifically power armoured and terminator armoured models. From a RAW perspective it would appear that Neophytes (?) aren't able to be transported in the LR/ LRC. A case of "Silly RAW"?

 

Silly RAW or not, I play 5th edition with ALL the 'DH Gotchas' (see Madrids sticky in this forum) and as much as I would like to, I'll be self imposing a restriction to not allow my GKLR / GKLRC to transport IST's.

 

If a player is using the Hurricane Bolter (can always fire regradless of distance moved) and Heavy 3 NON rending Assault Cannon rules from the DH Codex then they should also (for consistancy) not allow IST's to be transported in the LRC, would you agree or do you think they are seperate and different issues?

[Prathios]

In my last 1500 point game I took 2 (10 man) squads of IST's all with Melta/Plasma (I was fighting Necrons with the Nightbringer, I needed big punch stuff) I took a full squad of GKT led by Stern (for fun and I like the reroll) and 1 squad of PAGK as fast attack. GKT were mounted in a LRC and both the IST's had a rhino. The only heavy support choice I used was my Las/ML Dready.

 

Any time I know I am rolling against Necrons, I will usually forego the ISTs and swap them for GK spaming the Psycannons for the C'Tan. In a tourney setting, you may not have that luxury depending on your playstyle...

 

2 Things, so far I swear by IST's. They are big chunks of units that draw lots of enemy attention, which is fine cause they're cheap. When they are ignored they have a habit of dealing loads of damage against just about any target I need them to.

 

But to be totally honest I didn't have the models to represent psycannons. Can't take something I didn't physically have at the time. And one other thing about IST's vs Necrons. In the attempt to down Necrons I want as many shots as I can get with as many weapons as possible and 150 points worth of IST and 150 points worth of GK nets me 4 plasma weapons and 30 RF shots of hellgun, which can equal (on decent rolls) a lot of dead Necrons. And when they get killed its not too bad cause the plasma guys never die first.

 

Next time I play against them though you can rest assured there will be a purgation squad sitting in the back with 4 psycannons.

 

Oh and sorry if this was a bit off topic.